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OT: Discusión del Fútbol (EPL, FIFA, LIGA, USMNT, USWNT, MLS, etc) - Parte Cinco

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CapitalsCupReality

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g00n said:
Disagree that Ramsdale wasn't trying to get around. He was being restrained. The angles I talked about show the AVL player's arms around Ramsdale.

Still a bad call imo. And if somehow technically legal then a bad precedent.

Yes the hair pull was blatant, too.
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I mean to me, it looks like Ramsdale is initiating the contact going through the opponent to try and make the play. I would also expect the other player to be handsie when he’s feeling contact from behind.

The hair pull was a completely different level with no room for interpretation.
 
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g00n said:
Saw the Che/WH goal as it happened and the announcers got it right but the refs got it wrong.

In both of these goals the contact with the goaltender had nothing to do with the ball going in.

Another bad VAR that's not mentioned imo is the non-call on the Villa corner kick from Douglas Luiz vs Arsenal. The AV player nearest Ramsdale boxed him out and put his arm around him to restrain him. Ramsdale had no ability whatsoever to reach the ball, but for some bizarre reason the goal stood.

Can anyone explain that? There are alternate views around 1:17 of the video:

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This is a puzzling take….so it’s ok to kick the goalie and keep him from making a save? I mean it indirectly had something to do with the ball going in.

I was a bit surprised that that play went in our favor, but you cannot deny the contact and the player immediately is “unable” to continue the play (likely embellishing, but typical in Europe with contact of that nature).
 
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CapitalsCupReality said:
This is a puzzling take….so it’s ok to kick the goalie and keep him from making a save? I mean it indirectly had something to do with the ball going in.

I was a bit surprised that that play went in our favor, but you cannot deny the contact and the player immediately is “unable” to continue the play (likely embellishing, but typical in Europe with contact of that nature).
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He didn't kick him his foot made contact as he jumped past the sprawling goaltender, who was not even remotely in the act of trying to control the ball. Then the ball traveled far enough away Mendy had no chance of stopping the next shot.

So the only concern there is whether or not the "kick" was serious enough to warrant a penalty before the goal.

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I mean to me, it looks like Ramsdale is initiating the contact going through the opponent to try and make the play. I would also expect the other player to be handsie when he’s feeling contact from behind.

The hair pull was a completely different level with no room for interpretation.
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guys get called all the time for less on set plays, especially corners, regarding hands on other players.

It's ok to hold goaltenders to prevent them from moving or making a save?
 
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His foot made significant impact with the keeper, it’s semantics to not call it a kick, but whatever.

Similar to hockey, I’d at least say incidental contact rendered him unable to be in position to make the save…


Ramsdale appears to be the holder, or at least an active participant….it’s a fine line and I bet if it wasn’t him riding the other guy’s back, the call would be different.

Show me hair pulls that happen all the time and go unpenalized….
 
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g00n said:
guys get called all the time for less on set plays, especially corners, regarding hands on other players.

It's ok to hold goaltenders to prevent them from moving or making a save?
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It's deemed okay if the goalie is initiating the contact and it's a 50-50 battle situation, which they deemed this to be. As mentioned, it's as much Kamara's space as it Ramsdale's who comes from behind and puts his hand around Kamara, initiating contact. After that if it goes to VAR then the goalkeeper is not going to get that decision in his favor unless they are clearly trying to go around the player who then initiates contact. But as it is it's deemed a 50-50 battle because Kamara is entitled to that space and it's Ramsdale initiating the contact and he's interfering with Kamara aswell.

It's a set-play where Ramsdale got caught badly out of position and tried to go through and reach around Kamara and missed. Sometimes an overly-eager ref calls it a foul but VAR is not going to turn that into goalies favor in cases like this because Kamara is entitled to that space and he's not initiating the contact.
 
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It's deemed okay if the goalie is initiating the contact and it's a 50-50 battle situation, which they deemed this to be. As mentioned, it's as much Kamara's space as it Ramsdale's who comes from behind and puts his hand around Kamara, initiating contact. After that if it goes to VAR then the goalkeeper is not going to get that decision in his favor unless they are clearly trying to go around the player who then initiates contact. But as it is it's deemed a 50-50 battle because Kamara is entitled to that space and it's Ramsdale initiating the contact and he's interfering with Kamara aswell.

It's a set-play where Ramsdale got caught badly out of position and tried to go through and reach around Kamara and missed. Sometimes an overly-eager ref calls it a foul but VAR is not going to turn that into goalies favor in cases like this because Kamara is entitled to that space and he's not initiating the contact.
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He's got his arms wrapped around him.
 
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He's got his arms wrapped around him.
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Because Ramsdale is trying to barge through him and has his hands wrapped around him. It's a 50-50 battle for open space. Put it this way. If the ball came in slightly higher and Ramsdale punches it with his hands around Kamara, would you call that a penalty?
 
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Because Ramsdale is trying to barge through him and has his hands wrapped around him. It's a 50-50 battle for open space. Put it this way. If the ball came in slightly higher and Ramsdale punches it with his hands around Kamara, would you call that a penalty?
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He wouldn't be restraining Kamara. Kamara had his arms wrapped around both sides of Ramsdale. This is basically holding the goaltender in place. Ramsdale trying to get out of that is not 50-50.
 
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KDB to Haaland again. Nobody can stop that cross with the flying karate kick finish. JFC
 
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Another Haaland thing I've noticed, at the risk of sounding like a total fanboi...I made the Ovechkin comparison before. Another aspect of that is the way he immediately celebrates the goals of teammates, even more enthusiastically than his own.

Gotta like a player like that.
 
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Interesting to see when Tuchel starts making drastic changes to his line-up. I don't think he has too many options to shore up the defense (other than give opportunity to Chilwell) but in the midfield and attacking side he does have options. Sterling has been fine, you have Aubameyang as a new option. How long leash is there for Mount and Havertz? They have both been huge disappointments. In general Tuchel needs to do something to his squad. His players don't seem to give enough of an effort for him. Kovacic should help to a degree but losing Kante is a huge blow in that regard. Especially if you have to keep playing Loftus-Cheek in the midfield.

Really curious to see how drastic changes he's going to make to get some effort out of his players.
 
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Yow. I bet he didn't see that coming. EPL seems more "what have you done for me lately" than any other league.

Who do you think they have in mind?

Regarding Kante, he may have been the glue. He was cagey and efficient and surprisingly FAST.
 
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Yow. I bet he didn't see that coming. EPL seems more "what have you done for me lately" than any other league.

Who do you think they have in mind?

Regarding Kante, he may have been the glue. He was cagey and efficient and surprisingly FAST.
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Top candidates seem to be Potter (Brighton), Zidane and Pochettino. Zidane is strongly rumoured to be waiting for the France -job so he's unlikely. Other candidates are Rodgers (Leicester), Mourinho (Roma) and Bielsa.

Seems to me that Boehly was eager to get rid of Tuchel and bring his own guy in.

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Hoping the new manager gives Pulisic the play time he deserves.
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He deserves? Whoscored ranks him as the worst Chelsea -player this season. They should give him a full game at some point but it's not like he was forcing Tuchel's hands and force him to give a game. He has been very underwhelming at every time i've seen him this season.
 
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