TSN: Dion almost signed? Mod warning post #277

[DD03]

How can you not see that in 4 years he's led this team to NOTHING. We crept into the playoffs last year in a 48 game season and he played garbage in that series.

So looking good on paper is one thing. The past 4 and a half years is another. Great leaders grab their teams by the bootstraps and get them out of tough patches. He has never done that in 4 years. If they re-sign him, the C has to be stripped. Only way I could live with it

Lol what?

How can you blame him for a coach that was running a run and gun style with no goaltending? Or a team without proper players? You put that all on Dion? Keep telling yourself that he's the reason why.

 

[HarrisonFord]

How can you not see that in 4 years he's led this team to NOTHING. We crept into the playoffs last year in a 48 game season and he played garbage in that series.

So looking good on paper is one thing. The past 4 and a half years is another. Great leaders grab their teams by the bootstraps and get them out of tough patches. He has never done that in 4 years. If they re-sign him, the C has to be stripped. Only way I could live with it

Weird, that sounds eerily similar to John Tavares. I guess the Isles should probably get rid of him too! He's terrible!

 

[jmart21]

How can you not see that in 4 years he's led this team to NOTHING. We crept into the playoffs last year in a 48 game season and he played garbage in that series.

So looking good on paper is one thing. The past 4 and a half years is another. Great leaders grab their teams by the bootstraps and get them out of tough patches. He has never done that in 4 years. If they re-sign him, the C has to be stripped. Only way I could live with it

So, who do you give the C to?

 

[yubbers]

Nobody at the moment. I think it would take some strain of Dion. I think when he tries to step up and put the team on his back he falters. Like we've seen the past couple games.

I'd rather run no C than one that's not working.

 

[yubbers]

Weird, that sounds eerily similar to John Tavares. I guess the Isles should probably get rid of him too! He's terrible!

They should. We need a centre, they need a goalie and some D :p

 

[jmart21]

Nobody at the moment. I think it would take some strain of Dion. I think when he tries to step up and put the team on his back he falters. Like we've seen the past couple games.

I'd rather run no C than one that's not working.

so removing our leadership and not replacing it is the way to get better leadership?

Okay. Got it.

 

[jmart21]

Weird, that sounds eerily similar to John Tavares. I guess the Isles should probably get rid of him too! He's terrible!

DO NOT WANT him. Not a good leader clearly.

 

[yubbers]

so removing our leadership and not replacing it is the way to get better leadership?

Okay. Got it.

Sure. That's exactly what I said.

Let Dion walk into UFA and we get nothing

 

[DD03]

Nobody at the moment. I think it would take some strain of Dion. I think when he tries to step up and put the team on his back he falters. Like we've seen the past couple games.

I'd rather run no C than one that's not working.

So the last couple of games means everything when it comes to Dion?

This team is better with him in the line-up don't kid yourself.. He doesn't falter when you look at the numbers and the stats..

 

[DD03]

Jesus christ. It's like talking to a bag of pucks! I didn't say the last 2 games summed him up

I reiterate

-18 Lifetime in the playoffs and never made it out of a first round. That's who you want leading this team when it matters.

He's been playing the best defense of his career this season. Compared to last season alone, he's miles ahead of his defensive game.. Never mind when he first got into the league and was used mainly as an offensive weapon.

 

[The_Chosen_One]

Weird, that sounds eerily similar to John Tavares. I guess the Isles should probably get rid of him too! He's terrible!

I say, we prepare a package: Granberg + Biggs for Tavares. Should suffice since he's at a terrible $5.5 million cap hit!

 

[DD03]

Because it takes more then goaltending and Dion Phaneuf to get you out of the first round, especially in the Western conference and especially against the Boston Bruins.

Pretty easy to blame that on one player who just happened to play for those teams..

 

[yubbers]

He has horrible luck then!

Failure just follows him around. Poor Dion
Again, he's not a bad hockey player. Just not a guy I want being the captain and inking a deal at 7 for 7.

I'll take my chances in a trade

 

[DD03]

He has horrible luck then!

Failure just follows him around. Poor Dion
Again, he's not a bad hockey player. Just not a guy I want being the captain and inking a deal at 7 for 7.

I'll take my chances in a trade

Really? Because last time I checked he won gold both times he played for Canada at the World Juniors, where he was a big part in shutting down Ovechkin and Malkin.. He knows how to win.. Don't kid yourself. It takes a lot more then one defenseman. If he had help, it'd be a different story.. Everyone knows we need another top d man.

 

[ECanuck]

So, who do you give the C to?

Well, whatever happened to earning things the good ol fashioned way?

 

[Confucius]

He has horrible luck then!

Failure just follows him around. Poor Dion
Again, he's not a bad hockey player. Just not a guy I want being the captain and inking a deal at 7 for 7.

I'll take my chances in a trade

Exactly he may be our best dman but he is not worth what be makes now and he won't be getting better 5 years from now. Kadri may be our best center but he shouldn't get Crosby money just because he is the best we have.

 

[The_Chosen_One]

Really? Because last time I checked he won gold both times he played for Canada at the World Juniors, where he was a big part in shutting down Ovechkin and Malkin.. He knows how to win.. Don't kid yourself. It takes a lot more then one defenseman. If he had help, it'd be a different story.. Everyone knows we need another top d man.

Well said. We're talking about a defenceman who is extremely versatile and productive while at it. Gardiner, even Kadri up front are extremely one-dimensional. I don't see a difficult decision here, we resign Phaneuf and move others.

 

[yubbers]

Really? Because last time I checked he won gold both times he played for Canada at the World Juniors, where he was a big part in shutting down Ovechkin and Malkin.. He knows how to win.. Don't kid yourself. It takes a lot more then one defenseman. If he had help, it'd be a different story.. Everyone knows we need another top d man.

Sorry, wrong

Silver in 2004 losing to the USofA
Gold in 2005

So all he needs to win is
-Crosby
-Getzlaf
-Mike Richards
-Corey Perry
-Carter
-Seabrook
-Weber
ect.


Nonis better get to work

 

[Al14]

Exactly he may be our best dman but he is not worth what be makes now and he won't be getting better 5 years from now. Kadri may be our best center but he shouldn't get Crosby money just because he is the best we have.

Maybe Bolland should get Crosby money when we're paying $5.25M to a CLOG like Clarkson!

 

[number72]

I'd trade Phaneuf for two defenseman that sum up to $8M or whatever his projected salary will be. That combination will be superior to Phaneuf.

And then when Gardiner/Reilly are ready to take first pairing minutes those assets can be traded.

 

[Al14]

Really? Because last time I checked he won gold both times he played for Canada at the World Juniors, where he was a big part in shutting down Ovechkin and Malkin.. He knows how to win.. Don't kid yourself. It takes a lot more then one defenseman. If he had help, it'd be a different story.. Everyone knows we need another top d man.

Love is BLIND, and we all know how much you love Dion.

We do need to acquire some help for Phaneuf. I think a true #1 D, moving Phaneuf down to #2 D, would do all kinds of good things for him.

The only problem is, that, if Nonis signs him for north of what he makes now, we'll not have the ability, cap wise, to sign or acquire a true #1 D!

 

[Al14]

I'd trade Phaneuf for two defenseman that sum up to $8M or whatever his projected salary will be. That combination will be superior to Phaneuf.

And then when Gardiner/Reilly are ready to take first pairing minutes those assets can be traded.

That just might work, however, it all depends on the Dmen you acquire.

 

[diceman934]

Well said. We're talking about a defenceman who is extremely versatile and productive while at it. Gardiner, even Kadri up front are extremely one-dimensional. I don't see a difficult decision here, we resign Phaneuf and move others.

You are so wrong here. Dion should not be on the power play or on the ice when we need a goal late in the game. He is no longer one of our best options in those situations. Gardiner had been playing huge minutes on the pp and the pk so how is he one demensional? He can also skate and pass so much better then Dion....is he at the same level Dion is defensively currently nope but he will get there. Gardiner is not physical like Dion is but his other attrubutes make him a valuable player. Kadri now is he not a mean player who goes to the dirty areas of the ice? He is also a gifted offensive player who is getting better playing under Carlyles system of d zone coverage. He is no where one demensional.

Lately Dion has **** the bed, he simply is not as good as he and you thinks he is. I done with the political stupidity on here and will call a spade a spade.

We lack leadership and players who care. JVR shows up half the time. Kessel is on the same schedule. Dion is a me first type player and these are our core players. I say they start to show pride in wearing the Jersey or get rid of them as you can not win with players who simply do not care. Kulemin and jay McC are players that care. Raymond is so soft that it hurts to watch at times. Ranger and Fraser are currently not capable of playing at the Nhl level.

Lupul is our best example of leadership dropping to block shots and forechecking like a mad man. That is leadership. Not like our Captain who likes to be second into the corner so that he can avoid hit. Leadership is seen on the ice.

I find that most interesting thing is the way everyone rips on the media. They report anything close to the truth about the Leafs and the doe heads on here say"what does the media know " I will tell you what they know a whole lot more then us!

It is time for the excuses to stop. We need to make changes to our roster as our current one is not good enough as many simply do not care enough.

 

[The_Chosen_One]

You are so wrong here. Dion should not be on the power play or on the ice when we need a goal late in the game. He is no longer one of our best options in those situations. Gardiner had been playing huge minutes on the pp and the pk so how is he one demensional? He can also skate and pass so much better then Dion....is he at the same level Dion is defensively currently nope but he will get there. Gardiner is not physical like Dion is but his other attrubutes make him a valuable player. Kadri now is he not a mean player who goes to the dirty areas of the ice? He is also a gifted offensive player who is getting better playing under Carlyles system of d zone coverage. He is no where one demensional.

Do you not understand the logic of your argument? Gardiner, a forward, who cannot even make use of his sheltered minutes to produce should be granted PP minutes over a defenceman who is productive when given the toughest minutes. To give Gardiner PP minutes over Phaneuf would not be rewarding work ethic at all.

Lately Dion has **** the bed, he simply is not as good as he and you thinks he is. I done with the political stupidity on here and will call a spade a spade.

Never mind that we're dealing with a team sport here. If we look at individuals, poor play has been consistent amongst our mid and low pairings. Our forwards as a whole have been putrid (outside of Holland, I suppose) in terms of defence.

We lack leadership and players who care. JVR shows up half the time. Kessel is on the same schedule. Dion is a me first type player and these are our core players. I say they start to show pride in wearing the Jersey or get rid of them as you can not win with players who simply do not care. Kulemin and jay McC are players that care. Raymond is so soft that it hurts to watch at times. Ranger and Fraser are currently not capable of playing at the Nhl level.

We could use this ridiculous argument and suggest that Shea Weber lacks leadership as well. That team is more built for a hard trap system. Carlyle, interestingly, seems to be throwing us towards that kind of system since we regularly collapse into the defensive zone and only take high percentage shots. In other words, we're not seeing the CORSI fallacy committed here.

What I find hilarious is that, we're blaming Phaneuf for leadership even though he's successful in what he's assigned to do. That is, containing top scoring lines and forcing low percentage scoring shots. On the other hand, our other pairings usually represent the holes that make it possible for our opposition to produce. Yes, Phaneuf makes errors, but he is playing very difficult minutes. I expect our most sheltered pairings to do more of the offensive work especially when their defensive game is atrocious.

Lupul is our best example of leadership dropping to block shots and forechecking like a mad man. That is leadership. Not like our Captain who likes to be second into the corner so that he can avoid hit. Leadership is seen on the ice.

What in the world are you talking about? Lupul is widely inconsistent. He is not very versatile and cannot play Carlyle's dump and chase hockey. That is, once we collapse into the defensive zone, retrieve the puck, and transition into the neutral zone, expect a perimeter game. We are poor along the boards, can't maintain possession time in critical scoring areas, and Lupul is one of the main reasons why we're so poor in that regard.

It's pretty ridiculous when McClement - Kulemin are cycling the puck the best and helping us enable presence in critical scoring areas. In other words, our checking line is more productive than our top six in driving effective possession. This is sheer madness.

 

[Simcoe23]

Sorry, wrong

Silver in 2004 losing to the USofA
Gold in 2005

So all he needs to win is
-Crosby
-Getzlaf
-Mike Richards
-Corey Perry
-Carter
-Seabrook
-Weber
ect.


Nonis better get to work

Lol...thats all? No problem...you forgot Jeff Carter and Patrice Bergeron as well. Just a bit talented of a team...