Bumping for justice.
Every fool who crucifies our players for being a -1 or -2 needs some perspective.
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Bumping for justice.
Every fool who crucifies our players for being a -1 or -2 needs some perspective.
Same for Phaneuf I suppose. Most Leaf fans that I communicate with either within Toronto, the GTA or elsewhere tend to pretty satisfied with the core. That tiny minority is extremely loud, though.
We have some good pieces for sure, some people can't be objective and see beyond there concrete opinions. This forum is where you'l find a lot of them
Considering that we tend to lose due to depth scoring rather than the top lines tells us he's effective in a shut down role. Phaneuf is doing a great job keeping top lines under control and that's why we see line matching against the top pairing.
He's a prototypical shut down type. He's one of the best hitters in the league and his parsimonious playing style really keeps skilled guys honest. Look at how rattled Crosby, Getzlaf/ Perry, and the rest are when up against Phaneuf.
On the other hand, #1Ds like Duncan Keith are pretty bad in a shut down role, and it's better reserved for guys like Hjalmarsson and Oduya in conjunction with the Sharp - Toews - Hossa line. Seeing that we're missing a critical shut down guy in Bolland up front, it's hard to compare Phaneuf performance to comparable defencemen. He just isn't being properly supported.
Regardless, I can see him being signed the $7 million x 7 deal. Most of the criticism seem to be going beyond reason, and once he's signed, this should be over. Much like Kessel @ 8 million, this "heat" will just die down.
What's ironic is that that pairing has very little to do with defence. It's an offensive pairing with the mid-pairing and even third-pairing doing more of the dirty work. Never mind the fact that they have defensively strong forwards in Hossa, Sharp and Toews.
That's what I noticed. It makes sense considering how great previous Leafs #1C were on the defensive end. Sundin was elite offensively, but if shut down, he wouldn't amount to much. It's not like he was a two-way forward like Forsberg, but someone in the mould of Malkin. The Keons, Sittlers, Gilmours, even Wendal Clark etc were just different animals.I swear all older fans absolutely hated Sundin. I remember family gathers when we'd be watching the leafs, all the older grown ups would be talking down about Sundin, while all the younger kids/young adults loved him.
Biased view though lol
Don't get me wrong, I'd love a Sundin-esque centre over Kessel, but we started looking a lot different from the traditional Leafs when Sundin et al arrived. Interestingly, Carlyle wants to bring back the mean Leafs where forwards play their part, and it'll be interesting to see how it materialise.
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Kessel signed
Bozak signed
Clarkson signed
Dion will be signed *** even though he's doing his best to make it to free agency (intentionally?)
This is core of your Toronto Maple Leafs - not only have they never been able to get it done - but they never will.
Bozak signed
Clarkson signed
Dion will be signed *** even though he's doing his best to make it to free agency (intentionally?)
This is core of your Toronto Maple Leafs - not only have they never been able to get it done - but they never will.
Yeah, you said a dumb thing, conveniently after Phaneuf gets blamed for a terrible pass by Raymond.
Just shut this thread for now. It only get bumped when Phaneuf "makes a mistake" and doesn't look friggin perfect.
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In the room, I can't speculate, cause I'm not in there. But on the ice, he doesn't always act like a leader. This is the thing, do you want this for 7 years? I wish we Lupul had the C, and Suter was here, Phaneuf would absolutely thrive in that situation.
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Truce?
I'm so tired of reading "This player is terrible, this team sucks".
If that's your entire ****ing comment, don't make it.
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I do agree with that. Also risky. Its why if Phaneuf walks, we may have to go captainless again. Don't throw it on Clarkson or someone like that just caue.
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This would be a devastating contract. I like what Phaneuf has given to the Leafs in his time and I've supported him when few did. He is a far smarter defenceman now, and I think his leadership is probably underrated. However, his athleticism is on the decline already, he's already slowing down and tires too easily.
The late night guy on TSN radio keeps saying there may be some no trade clauses in Phaneuf's contract....I know cap geek shows nothing?? Hopefully this stretch of games will dampen the call to resign him at any cost....(unlikely though if I know this board).
what stretch of games? this is probably his worst game of the season.
so we shouldn't sign him, the guy is our best d man, if we lose him, u take 3 steps back right there.
Some fans just don't want great d man
big lol at some fans
I'd rather trade Kessel and sign Phaneuf long-term instead. Our first line clearly cannot have both Kadri and Kessel on it. Their playing style conflict, and unlike the feisty Grabovski, he'd be possession-monster with Kessel. Not saying we need him back, but Holland should be on the top line instead.
what stretch of games?........
big lol at some fans
Last 10 games approximately. (3W, 7L)....Phaneuf was absent for 2 of the L's but one of those was where the "team" played one of their better games of the season. Phaneuf is our best D, but not the best guy to take up most of the cap for defensemen going forward....which is what this thread had suggested.
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