Rumor: Dhaliwal- Boeser to Pens is a real possibility

[Boondock]

Not sure why Kapanen would suddenly lose his usefulness in a PK role. I wish Sully would give him a shot on the PK, could jump start him out of the rut he's in.

There is a reason he isn't being used on the PK. I don't know exactly what that is, but there are issues with his game that are preventing Kap from being played there. I understand he Pk'd in Toronto, but he isn't being given the opportunity for the past 2 seasons in Pitt so why? Blame Sullivan, or other players are better - if he was a game changer on the PK he would get his shot. The Canucks don't need a guy that has PK'd in the past. They need someone to emerge as an elite penalty killer.

I understand that he has done it, but again I could point out Boeser's previous goal production per game and say he has done it in the past, but no one is paying for 38 goals per 82 Boeser even though he has done it before.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I would probably kinda hate that. Requires Boeser contributing to us going far AND re-signing at a meaningful caphit, or that we win the whole thing, in which case... well, you accept a lot in that case .
I further have major reservations that Boeser, fine sniper though he is, ticks the boxes we need ticked. He is a better PP weapon than Rust and Rodrigues, yes, but that just isn't a huge concern with how the PP has been since Sid and then Geno came back. Both Rust and Erod score when given the chance with the 1st unit.
Nor is Boeser going to help much at all with the issues that PP could optimize on. He has the skill and vision to also help make Geno more dangerous ES, which is good, but in terms of sustaining offensive zone times, forcing turnovers and help out defensively.... I don't see him really adding.

Finally, I don't want to include POJ because he needs to be in the lineup next season when we should deal one of the LD's with real salaries. At least if its Kappy and 1st, if more is needed it should be a different prospect.

The Penguins have been doing nothing but trading for players that fit this archetype for years, yet it has resulted in absolutely nothing in the playoffs. They've added guys like Zucker, Kapanen, Tanev, McGinn, McCann, ERod and such that fit this criteria, but it hasn't made a difference.

Adding Boeser is a way different move than what they've done in the past. At some point, you need some variety in your lineups. This team desperately lacks pure scoring talent, as in guys who can cleanly beat a goalie without needing to rely on garbage goals or goalies making mistakes.

 

[kanucks25]

Not getting Boeser for a bunch of spare parts. Kapanen isn't the type of player the Canucks need.

Curious as to why we couldn't use Kapanen?

He's one of the faster skaters in the league (re: JR on team speed), was good on the PK when the Leafs used him there, and fits age wise with our group.

Coming off a down year, he probably won't be too expensive to re-sign. He'll likely come at around half the cap-hit of Boeser's new deal, so you have to value the cap savings there, as well.

 

[kanucks25]

Oh, I don't care if Kapanen is included or not.

I agree that NJ is the better fit though.

Wouldn't NJ's offer be something like Zacha + Smith? I don't see that as an upgrade on Kapanen + POJ + 1st

 

[nergish]

Brock Boeser is a bit of a confusing player to explain to other markets. He's an allstar talent with an absolutely lethal shot.
He's also got very decent size, and doesn't get knocked off the puck very easily.

His only problem is footspeed. He knows where to be and how to score goals, but he doesn't always get there.
Even though we adore Brock in this market, the Canucks are trying to get faster.

 

[jmelm]

I'd rather go for Garland tbh

I was thinking the same thing. I love Boeser’s sheer offensive upside, but can we turn him into a more well rounded 200 ft player. If they think they can, great. If not, Garland would be a better fit for this team’s style. Both are equally intriguing, for different reasons.

 

[Cogburn]

Wouldn't NJ's offer be something like Zacha + Smith? I don't see that as an upgrade on Kapanen + POJ + 1st

I had been under the impression one of the offers was Zacha+prospect+1st, and we include Dickinson. If the prospect isn't Smith, but someone like Bahl or Foote, I think we're still ahead.

 

[Jerkbait]

We don't have a 3rd until '24 I believe but yeah, that's about the price I'd offer up also. We just have to hope JR and Allvin covet Poulin as they have in the past. I wouldn't go much beyond that.

Agreed

 

[Jerkbait]

Not getting Boeser for a bunch of spare parts. Kapanen isn't the type of player the Canucks need.

But Kapanen is the player Rutherford wants ....get it right!! BB won't fetch much more than that ..

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

The Penguins have been doing nothing but trading for players that fit this archetype for years, yet it has resulted in absolutely nothing in the playoffs. They've added guys like Zucker, Kapanen, Tanev, McGinn, McCann, ERod and such that fit this criteria, but it hasn't made a difference.

Adding Boeser is a way different move than what they've done in the past. At some point, you need some variety in your lineups. This team desperately lacks pure scoring talent, as in guys who can cleanly beat a goalie without needing to rely on garbage goals or goalies making mistakes.

Aka what I've been arguing strongly about for multiple seasons now and usually told "we're fine because our wingers can score -- they just have no puck luck or run into hot goalies. But soon the bounces will go their way!"

 

[Harvey Birdman]

I like the idea but the problem is the cap and how you'd make that work.

If it is a given that Rust is leaving after the year, signing Boeser this off-season makes a lot of sense.

I’m pretty much assuming Rust is gone. If he signs a reasonable deal to stay. Awesome. But this is going to be the highest money making opportunity for him. Some team is going to throw stupid money at him, and I know if I were in his shoes. I’d be saying. I’ve won twice already. It’s all for money and fun now. So I’d ether be signing in the destination spot I wanted to go or for maximum money offered.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Aka what I've been arguing strongly about for multiple seasons now and usually told "we're fine because our wingers can score -- they just have no puck luck or run into hot goalies. But soon the bounces will go their way!"

and we’re about to play Shesterkin in the postseason

 

[Darren McCord]

There is a reason he isn't being used on the PK. I don't know exactly what that is, but there are issues with his game that are preventing Kap from being played there. I understand he Pk'd in Toronto, but he isn't being given the opportunity for the past 2 seasons in Pitt so why? Blame Sullivan, or other players are better - if he was a game changer on the PK he would get his shot. The Canucks don't need a guy that has PK'd in the past. They need someone to emerge as an elite penalty killer.

I understand that he has done it, but again I could point out Boeser's previous goal production per game and say he has done it in the past, but no one is paying for 38 goals per 82 Boeser even though he has done it before.

you clearly haven’t watch sullivan. No one in his top 6 ever PKs. It’s the only reason he can keep his bottom 6 role players in the lineup.

Kap could score a Hattie on the pk and he still wouldn’t get a chance. Sullivan has clear defined rules.

rust was an amazing player on the pk. He hasn’t played on the pk since being put on the top line.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

you clearly haven’t watch sullivan. No one in his top 6 ever PKs. It’s the only reason he can keep his bottom 6 role players in the lineup.

Kap could score a Hattie on the pk and he still wouldn’t get a chance. Sullivan has clear defined rules.

rust was an amazing player on the pk. He hasn’t played on the pk since being put on the top line.

he used Guentzel and Sid there quite frequently a few years ago

 

[PensandCaps]

you clearly haven’t watch sullivan. No one in his top 6 ever PKs. It’s the only reason he can keep his bottom 6 role players in the lineup.

Kap could score a Hattie on the pk and he still wouldn’t get a chance. Sullivan has clear defined rules.

rust was an amazing player on the pk. He hasn’t played on the pk since being put on the top line.

Rust is a puck magnet. Best to not get him hurt, also you want to be able to send the whole top line out after a PK.

 

[Cogburn]

Curious as to why we couldn't use Kapanen?

He's one of the faster skaters in the league (re: JR on team speed), was good on the PK when the Leafs used him there, and fits age wise with our group.

Coming off a down year, he probably won't be too expensive to re-sign. He'll likely come at around half the cap-hit of Boeser's new deal, so you have to value the cap savings there, as well.

We have a sufficient number of wingers, and even a few winger prospects expected to push for spots soon. Even assuming Boeser is gone, we have Pearson, Garland, Podkolzin, Hoglander, Miller and Pettersson, as well as Lockwood and Klimovich, who could be playing in top nine winger roles. He'd be an improvement on Dickinson, I guess, but all the others playing with the big Canucks have as many goals as Kapanen, and that's supposed to be his thing.

Ruthie said skill and speed. We've done the Brandon Reid/Mason Raymond thing before.

As for a lower cap hit for a down year, couldn't the same be expected from Boeser then as well?

 

[orby]

Kapanen+1st would be my initial offer if I were Hextall. I am sure Rutherford/Allvin would want POJ added to that deal, but I don't think it would be wise for the Pens to deal POJ before they know what the future holds for Letang. Maybe there is a good way to meet in the middle without the inclusion of POJ.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

he used Guentzel and Sid there quite frequently a few years ago

No more than 20-30 second shifts at the very end of the PK, though.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Marino I get, but going after ERod just seems odd.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Marino I get, but going after ERod just seems odd.

It would suck losing Marino but BB would definitely help our depth and scoring.
Maybe then Hextall can flip KK to another team for a D. POJ takes Marino's full time spot next season!

 

[Seventy7]

I’m hearing Kapanen Marino pick for Boeser Schenn

 

[BCNate]

I’m hearing Kapanen Marino pick for Boeser Schenn

I'd take that and run from a Canucks POV.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I’m hearing Kapanen Marino pick for Boeser Schenn

I seriously doubt Vancouver pulls that off for Boeser.

Take out the pick and replace Kapanen with Rodrigues and that seems more even. So Marino and Rodrigues for Boeser and Schenn.

 

[M2Beezy]

I’m hearing Kapanen Marino pick for Boeser Schenn

I hear things too

 

[Canucks LB]

I’m hearing Kapanen Marino pick for Boeser Schenn

That would be great, doubt it tho