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Prospect Info: Devils Win #2 Overall -- Slafkovsky vs. Jiricek vs. Nemec

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What should we do with #2?

  • Slafkovsky

    Votes: 220 61.5%

  • Jiricek

    Votes: 56 15.6%

  • Nemec

    Votes: 30 8.4%

  • Trade it

    Votes: 39 10.9%

  • Other

    Votes: 13 3.6%
  • Total voters
    358
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These posts are getting downright silly. The Devils potentially have exactly what they need falling in their laps at #2 overall with Juraj Slafkovsky.He is a 6'4-220, interior LW with elite-level offensive skill, and a stunning combination of compete level and hockey IQ. He is a potential franchise-caliber winger.

The Devils would be completely moronic and myopic to trade the #2 pick, especially before they know which of Wright or Slafkovsky Montreal selects at #1. It represents a deal which is nearly impossible to win, and tees up a potential career-killer for Tom Fitzgerald.
 
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Devils731 said:
I don’t want to speak for him but it did look like it was just a quoting error.

On the new system, I deleted the end of someone’s quote and then somehow when I started typing it made a new quote box attributed to the original poster. It was hard to delete this second quote box too.
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yeah....that's what I figured.

Damn this new server.....

It better not crash during the Draft..... :mad:
 
Captain3rdLine said:
I mean it’s very likely a legitimate source and could be from Fitz. Fitz has said always said they’ll look at it. It’s just no likely to actually materialize.

Friedman is as legitimate as they come. If he’s reporting something it’s most likely true. People like him also rely on having good relationships with GM’s and their sources and aren’t going to report anything they don’t want them to.
There’s also a decent chance Fitz wanted him to put that out there just to appease the fans saying he should trade it even though he knows it’s not gonna happen.
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I also may want teams to call me so I can find out what they may be willing to move and the steer the discussion into the Devils moving different assets for those piece.
 
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glenwo2 said:
I suppose.

Maybe that was also Fitz's way of telling Friedman "Go away, kid. Ya bother me" or something.
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Friedman is as legitimate as they come. If he’s reporting something it’s most likely true. People like him also rely on having good relationships with GM’s and their sources and aren’t going to report anything they don’t want them to.

There’s also a decent chance Fitz wanted him to put that out there just to appease the fans saying he should trade it even though he knows it’s not gonna happen. So those fans maybe think he tried.
I’m pretty sure reporters like Friedman pretty much just put out whatever teams want them to.
 
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StevenToddIves said:
These posts are getting downright silly. The Devils potentially have exactly what they need falling in their laps at #2 overall with Juraj Slafkovsky.He is a 6'4-220, interior LW with elite-level offensive skill, and a stunning combination of compete level and hockey IQ. He is a potential franchise-caliber winger.

The Devils would be completely moronic and myopic to trade the #2 pick, especially before they know which of Wright or Slafkovsky Montreal selects at #1. It represents a deal which is nearly impossible to win, and tees up a potential career-killer for Tom Fitzgerald.
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The only potential trade scenario I could see is if Slaf goes first and Arizona, Seattle, and Philadelphia create a bidding war to move up to #2 for Wright.

Fitz would have to clear it with ownership ahead of time, but I could see him selling them on sliding back for Jiricek or Nemec and adding another 1st round pick or similar asset.

Even if Fitz could find a team willing to part with an elite young player (would NEVER happen), the idea that ownership would happily pay someone $7-$10 million rather than ELC money is ludicrous.
 
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Devils731 said:
I also may want teams to call me so I can find out what they may be willing to move and the steer the discussion into the Devils moving different assets for those piece.
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I don’t think he would need to do that. These GM’s talk all the time and don’t need to send out some report to get teams calling them. It’s also not like other teams are gonna see Friedman’s report and be like oh shit we need to call Fitz about that. Any team that’s interested in the pick will call and ask him about it’s availability.

As I said above I think it would actually be more likely to just be Fitz trying to appease the good chunk of the fans base calling for it to be traded.
 
Blackjack said:
Even if Fitz could find a team willing to part with an elite young player (would NEVER happen), the idea that ownership would happily pay someone $7-$10 million rather than ELC money is ludicrous.
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This narrative is just dumb but some people just stick with it. Our ownership has never hesitated to spend big on players.
They were perfectly happy to outbid the rest of the league and bring in the top FA for 9M last season. They obviously approved of Jack’s contract which had some risk to it at the time as he hadn’t broken out yet.

Where does it even come from?
What have they done that suggests this?
 
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Captain3rdLine said:
I don’t think he would need to do that. These GM’s talk all the time and don’t need to send out some report to get teams calling them. It’s also not like other teams are gonna see Friedman’s report and be like oh shit we need to call Fitz about that. Any team that’s interested in the pick will call and ask him about it’s availability.

As I said above I think it would actually be more likely to just be Fitz trying to appease the good chunk of the fans base calling for it to be traded.
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Availability is my point. Teams don’t keep you constantly updated about what they’re willing to move. You have to find those things out through socialization.

Possibly moving a valuable assets get you close to the center of the universe for socialization so you get to mine information and find out information you may not have known beforehand.
 
Captain3rdLine said:
This narrative is just dumb but some people just stick with it. Our ownership has never hesitated to spend big on players.
They were perfectly happy to outbid the rest of the league and bring in the top FA for 9M last season. They obviously approved of Jack’s contract which had some risk to it at the time as he hadn’t broken out yet.

Where does it even come from?
What have they done that suggests this?
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My comments have nothing to do with our ownership. No ownership group is going to burn cash like that. No owners are going to trade an asset that cheap for an asset that expensive.

It's a big reason that early 1st round picks haven't been traded at all in recent years.
 
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Devils731 said:
Availability is my point. Teams don’t keep you constantly updated about what they’re willing to move. You have to find those things out through socialization.

Possibly moving a valuable assets get you close to the center of the universe for socialization so you get to mine information and find out information you may not have known beforehand.
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I get that but I highly doubt that does that for Fitz. As I said, I don’t think teams are jumping to call Fitz after seeing that report. It doesn’t change much and doesn’t say much.

If a team is interested in acquiring the number 2 pick they’re gonna call Fitz at some point. I don’t think that report changes anything or makes them do it any quicker. It doesn’t get him to the Center of the universe whatsoever. I doubt any GM that sees that is even gonna take anything from it.
 
tailfins said:
I can’t imagine Florida trades Knight.

But, let’s say for #2OA it’s possible.

What’s worst (realistic) case scenario for Knight? Jim Carey? Brian Boucher?

Meanwhile, I think for Slaf it’s Viktor Kozlov. Is it awful to trade Kozlov for Carey or Boucher? I think Florida wins that deal, but by how much really? And, if the Devils end up with one flash in the pan run from Knight, does that offset everything? Boucher almost won a Cup. Carey (inexplicably) won a Vezina.

If I’m Fitz and Florida was actually open to moving Knight, I think hard about how to make a deal work.

So I think the idea makes sense for the Devils.

I just don’t think it’s worth talking about because it’s a non-starter for the Panthers.
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Knight - no. No thank you , nope.
He has proven exaclty nothing. We need to be able to rely on a true NHL starter. Knight is not that.
Panthers shot down a deal with the Yotes for Chychrun (spelling ?) whe ask kght was part of the deal. They will want the world for him and no way I’m trading #2 for him .
 
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With Bobrovsky having two decline years in a row before bouncing back this year, I think the Panthers are hoping that if Bobrovsky doesn't do a Mike Smith next year (following up two bad seasons with two good seasons in a row) or maybe more of a Pekka Rinne renaissance at 33 years old and up to his late 30's, I think the Panthers are gonna want him to take the reigns.

Either way, Knight's contract will be up I think 2 years before Bobrovsky's? Is this the first year of Knight's ELC where he didn't debut until very late last year? I know Bobrovsky got a 7 year deal 3 years ago.
 
glenwo2 said:
You know @bigd I just realized something...

Did you make a mistake when posting your reply above?



It says "glenwo2 said : " followed by the above which is why it seems like you took my reply and changed it.
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Jason MacIsaac said:
18 year hiatus from HF and now you are back claiming to speak to both pro scouts and amateur scouts in the system. It doesn't add up to me. I'd be surprised if NJ has even started their war room discussions in advance of the 23 draft, their scouts are still out doing their thing.
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Misspelling the player's name (Slafkousky?) also just screams credibility, doesn't it?
 
Guttersniped said:
Go look at 2005 and 2007 drafts.

While the 1st round in 2005 has Crosby and strong 1-2 punch of goalies (Price #5 and Rask #21), it’s a pretty thin group other than that. Jack Johnson is 3rd, and the only stand out players are Kopitar at #11 and Oshie at #24. Ryan is a solid #2 pick for that draft.

And JVR was a solid choice for 2nd considering Kyle Turris, Thomas Hickey and Karl Azner were taken after him. Voracek is #7 and Couture is #9 but I don’t see Ryan over those players as a shocking miss.

And JVR is literally Mr Net Front PP Goal Guy, a job we currently have filled by Bastian. Oh no, not a way more skilled guy to do that! We might actually have a functional PP with a guy like that, yuck!

Slafkovsky is 6’4” and 218 at age 18, he’s not going to be that easy to play against in the sense of puck possession, board battles, interior play, net front, etc

He’s the anti-Zacha in his shear enthusiasm for hockey and he’s developed a lot as this year went on, which is exactly what you want to see in a draft year.
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No one's disputing they (JVR, Ryan, Nash) had good careers and those are good outcomes for this pick. It's a stylistic comparison, not a literal one. Obviously everyone wants 70+ pt players from a pick in any round. JVR / Ryan ended up being complementary guys, not stars - maybe "mediocre" was a harsh term on my part.

I just care that Slafkovsky is good - I don't care how he does it, so, in that sense, yeah, I agree with you. That being said, if we're talking about changing the fortunes of the team and the complexion of the group, I can see how some would argue that he's another east-west player on a team full of them, despite the acumen in the crease/wall. Hence why I said "people won't like it" if he is stylistically like Nash (big skill guy who never quite asserted his size) - I should've added 'some' before that statement.

It would be dumb if Slaf didn't cultivate at least some of an edge - that would be leaving a big advantage on the table - and there's plenty of time for that to happen. I don't think he has to become a full-size Mike Richards or anything, but we have a lot of guys who love the smooth, beautiful play that isn't always there.
 
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