Prospect Info: Devils Win #2 Overall -- Slafkovsky vs. Jiricek vs. Nemec

[Guadana]

No for today Knight. He could be fourth time vezina winner, but price is a thing that exist in specific moment of time. If Slafkovsky will have a couple of so so season, his price will drop, but for now he cost a lot. Like Knight, who was drafted in the second tens, he didn’t spent awesome seasons after his drafting. Ofcourse he is more NHL ready, but his price isn’t second overall pick. I could talk about Holtz trade, but definitely not Luke, 2nd or Gritsyuk. Theirs value going only higher and higher. Even Holtz value may be higher than Knight.

 

[Nico Hischier]

I would be furious if we traded the pick regardless of who gets selected first. Just make the pick. I don’t care who it is - Wright slafkovsky jiricek nemec cooley. I prefer slafkovsky or jiricek but that doesn’t matter. The point is just make the pick don’t trade it.

If we were to make any trades I would look at holtz for fiala or nylander 1 for 1. No adds. We hope holtz becomes as good as either of those players. holtz is on an elc and those players make $$ and those teams are up against the cap.

Otherwise, I like our team. Trust the process. Make the pick. Get a goalie and hopefully ty smith can rebound next year as well as our other young players progressing.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

18 year hiatus from HF and now you are back claiming to speak to both pro scouts and amateur scouts in the system. It doesn't add up to me. I'd be surprised if NJ has even started their war room discussions in advance of the 23 draft, their scouts are still out doing their thing.

It does kind of make sense. At least from where I'm sitting.

On a somewhat related note, I miss @Devilswede.

That's a guy who definitely had people on the inside.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

If we don't trade the #2 pick, we sure as hell better be trying to trade Holtz this summer.

 

[Darkauron]

It does kind of make sense. At least from where I'm sitting.

On a somewhat related note, I miss @Devilswede.

That's a guy who definitely had people on the inside.

I dont He also doesnt have any sources anymore.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/members/bigd.11919/#recent-content

Is there any specific ones that actually suggest he has an insider? Like something relevant no one else knew that turned out to be true.
I don’t feel like reading far back but everything I saw from more recently is just him saying oh I was told and my friend is a pro scout and said this.

Like he could legitimately have a friend who’s an ECHL scout who he talks to about hockey sometimes and then comes in here and posts about what he said. I don’t know.

I’ll take polls on the opinions of 9 NHL head scouts and a ton of other scouting resources out there over his supposed pro scout friends opinion every day of the week.


It also looks like he got rid of his original message saying that.

His most recent one was “I heard David Quinn could be in the running” (talking about Ruff replacement) at the start of April.

 

[mdj12784]

I think Wright as a Centre is undervalued here. Our top Centres don’t exactly have a good track record staying healthy. Wright would be VERY valuable here, if Slaf is gone…

 

[Jack Be Quick]

I think Wright as a Centre is undervalued here. Our top Centres don’t exactly have a good track record staying healthy. Wright would be VERY valuable here, if Slaf is gone…

I agree.

Unless he absolutely explodes out of the gate it's not like he'd challenge Nico for the #2 spot for at least 3 years.

I know, I know, we need a checking line. But who's there to hit when you have a 1a, 1b, and 1c line?

 

[Unknown Caller]

Is there any specific ones that actually suggest he has an insider? Like something relevant no one else knew that turned out to be true.
I don’t feel like reading far back but everything I saw from more recently is just him saying oh I was told and my friend is a pro scout and said this.

Like he could legitimately have a friend who’s an ECHL scout who he talks to about hockey sometimes and then comes in here and posts about what he said. I don’t know.

I’ll take polls on the opinions of 9 NHL head scouts and a ton of other scouting resources out there over his supposed pro scout friends opinion every day of the week.


It also looks like he got rid of his original message saying that.

You never know. I knew someone who was a very close advisor to JvB back in 2010-12, and when rumors were flying that Kovy was signing as a UFA with LA, I knew for a fact that the Devils were getting on a conference call to finalize a deal with him to stay in Jersey.

Long story short, I posted the information here and got absolutely ripped by every poster for spreading rumors (the mods wanted me to confirm my source in the DMs, but I couldn't risk it). I guess the point is that some people do have legitimate sources, you just have to take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

You never know. I knew someone who was a very close advisor to JvB back in 2010-12, and when rumors were flying that Kovy was signing as a UFA with LA, I knew for a fact that the Devils were getting on a conference call to finalize a deal with him to stay in Jersey.

Long story short, I posted the information here and got absolutely ripped by every poster for spreading rumors (the mods wanted me to confirm my source in the DMs, but I couldn't risk it). I guess the point is that some people do have legitimate sources, you just have to take it with a grain of salt.

Same shit happened to @Devilswede even though he was right plenty of times.

Sorry you guys had beef @Darkauron

 

[Devils731]

I’ve also had “ins” with some people who were friendly with players.

I think the only thing I ever actually posted about was something about John Madden coaching because it was being announced the same day.

I don’t bother posting some of the things I’ve heard because I don’t want to get anyone I know in hot water and nobody has any reason to believe I know anything insider anyway.

 

[My3Sons]

I’ve also had “ins” with some people who were friendly with players.

I think the only thing I ever actually posted about was something about John Madden coaching because it was being announced the same day.

I don’t bother posting some of the things I’ve heard because I don’t want to get anyone I know in hot water and nobody has any reason to believe I know anything insider anyway.

I don't think anyone is surprised that some folks have genuine "ins" whether with a player or lower tier management or an agent or whoever. I know at one point I was semi-friendly with a guy who worked at the investment firm that was handling the team sale many moons ago. Not that big of a deal but it caught me by surprise that I knew about a sale before the public did. I did't tell anyone because there was no internet to speak of then and I didn't know any other Devils fans. I think the skepticism comes from what you just posted. Those in the know generally don't share the information to protect their source and because it's courteous to keep what was told to you at least semi-private. Sure, you tell your buddy who will respect your privacy but you aren't posting it on a message board.

 

[Fanatik]

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I know, I know, we need a checking line. But who's there to hit when you have a 1a, 1b, and 1c line?

Sounds exactly like how I run my teams in GM mode on NHL on Xbox lol

Usually consists of me fantasy drafting Nico Hischier and Jack Hughes, then later taking an old head whos expensive at 85ovr for the third line, run kids on their wings. Fourth line checking/defensive line

 

[Eggtimer]

I’d really like to know what players are on the supposed ”list” of who we would consider moving the pick for.
I am pretty sure all GMs say this prior to drafts when they are not in complete rebuild mode like the Habs , Kraken Etc.
Its just doing tour due diligence. Every year one or more GMS “leak” this information or come out and announce that they will move it . Why not ? Doesn’t hurt to let people know you would consider it if a severe overpayment or outstanding value is to be had with trading the pick.
It just becomes scary as we dont know what Fitz is thinking and we have no idea on who he thinks is worth moving the pick for. If it ends up beig underwhelming in their minds , people will lost their shit.
It would be very hard to see a deal beig made that would make most of the fan base happy.
It also doesnt help that us fans are all excited about winning the lotto and have been researching who we want to pick . Gettig all excited to add that player and if it gets take away , people will be pissed and will harsh,y judge whoever we end up getting in return .
I just hope we add a player that makes us the best team possible and that we get very good value , whether that be by selecting a prospect with the pick or acquiring a player via trade.
What I DONT want is a bunch of “meh” pieces in return . For example , a pile of second amd third round picks or a pile of B level prospects.
We are beyond that . I want the very best one asset that is an elite piece or has potential to be elite. No more middle of the lineup types.

 

[Eggtimer]

My fear is that we trade the #2 , which has potential to be elite , for something that is not. Something that is “safe “ yet not an elite top line / pairing player. The #2 pick has that potential . If we trade down and get a couple lower level skilled prospects I will be pissed. Id rather have one player with a potential of 90 over two players with a potential of 75-80.
Or trade the pick for a known player that has established himself as an 80 .

 

[Guadana]

This picture of endlessly overflowing water from one carafe to another is simply beautiful.

I know the season has been disappointing (in terms of results), but just to remind you that having a second pick in this draft is just great. You knew it, I knew it, it's obvious. But it's great to voice it again. Viva la random.

My fear is that we trade the #2 , which has potential to be elite , for something that is not. Something that is “safe “ yet not an elite top line / pairing player. The #2 pick has that potential . If we trade down and get a couple lower level skilled prospects I will be pissed. Id rather have one player with a potential of 90 over two players with a potential of 75-80.
Or trade the pick for a known player that has established himself as an 80 .

btw math tell you, that having two new players of 70 points is much better, than one of 90 points. Especially when we have one of 90 points and two of 70 points. Btw Slaf has real potential to be 70 points player. And it`s not bad, because he can do some work that a couple of players from this draft can`t. Even if they will hit 90 points. As centers.
But I do really think we will see 90+ p duo with Slafkovsky after a couple+ years. The most exiting thing we have a chance to have two duos of 90+ p players.
But wait... we have a little chance to have three duos of 90+ points players! Crazy? But isn`t imposible. Six 1pgp players is a real ceiling for the devils. Sometimes I wanna be optimist. Everyday to be very smart analytical realist is a boring thing. Modest very smart analytical realist of course.

 

[Eggtimer]

This picture of endlessly overflowing water from one carafe to another is simply beautiful.

I know the season has been disappointing (in terms of results), but just to remind you that having a second pick in this draft is just great. You knew it, I knew it, it's obvious. But it's great to voice it again. Viva la random.

btw math tell you, that having two new players of 70 points is much better, than one of 90 points. Especially when we have one of 90 points and two of 70 points. Btw Slaf has real potential to be 70 points player. And it`s not bad, because he can do some work that a couple of players from this draft can`t. Even if they will hit 90 points. As centers.
But I do really think we will see 90+ p duo with Slafkovsky after a couple+ years. The most exiting thing we have a chance to have two duos of 90+ p players.
But wait... we have a little chance to have three duos of 90+ points players! Crazy? But isn`t imposible. Six 1pgp players is a real ceiling for the devils. Sometimes I wanna be optimist. Everyday to be very smart analytical realist is a boring thing. Modest very smart analytical realist of course.

Im Sorry , I meant to say a player /100. Not saying points but rather overall how effective. Rated out of 100. I am just trying to say I’d rather we add an elite piece than two good ones. We have lots of “good” players. We need one or two more “elite “ studs that can be game changers. We have Hughes and Bratt amd Nico , I’d like to have ine or two more guys where if one of the others are injured or struggling , we have others to rely on .

 

[glenwo2]

Friedman is as legitimate as they come. If he’s reporting something it’s most likely true. People like him also rely on having good relationships with GM’s and their sources and aren’t going to report anything they don’t want them to.

There’s also a decent chance Fitz wanted him to put that out there just to appease the fans saying he should trade it even though he knows it’s not gonna happen. So those fans maybe think he tried.
I’m pretty sure reporters like Friedman pretty much just put out whatever teams want them to.

I think there's a better than decent chance none of that is true and Friedman is just drumming up drama for clicks.

I don't trust these rumor-mongers at all.

Fitz would not be telling ANYONE what he actually is going to do, @Captain3rdLine .

We will eventually know what he does when he does it.

Hopefully, he does the RIGHT (and WISE) thing and drafts Slaf/Wright.

Looking at his posting history he has posted before stuff that an insider would only know, so who knows...?

Meh. I don't buy it, @Lou is God

This is akin to someone saying "I have a friend who knows a friend that is a cousin to the brother of someone that knows Fitz that this will happen".

The so-called insider stuff could just be lucky guesses or he is signed up for some kind of insider website of some sort that takes a bunch of wild guesses. Throw enough s--t at the wall and eventually something will stick.

 

[glenwo2]

Is there any specific ones that actually suggest he has an insider? Like something relevant no one else knew that turned out to be true.
I don’t feel like reading far back but everything I saw from more recently is just him saying oh I was told and my friend is a pro scout and said this.

Like he could legitimately have a friend who’s an ECHL scout who he talks to about hockey sometimes and then comes in here and posts about what he said. I don’t know.

I’ll take polls on the opinions of 9 NHL head scouts and a ton of other scouting resources out there over his supposed pro scout friends opinion every day of the week.


It also looks like he got rid of his original message saying that.

His most recent one was “I heard David Quinn could be in the running” (talking about Ruff replacement) at the start of April.

He also seems to have trouble responding to posts. The last two post toward me : All he did was quote them with NO response (now THAT is annoying).

 

[Lou is God]

I think there's a better than decent chance none of that is true and Friedman is just drumming up drama for clicks.

I don't trust these rumor-mongers at all.

Fitz would not be telling ANYONE what he actually is going to do.

We will eventually know what he does when he does it.

Hopefully, he does the RIGHT (and WISE) thing and drafts Slaf/Wright.


Meh. I don't buy it, @Lou is God

This is akin to someone saying "I have a friend who knows a friend that is a cousin to the brother of someone that knows Fitz that this will happen".

The so-called insider stuff could just be lucky guesses or he is signed up for some kind of insider website of some sort that takes a bunch of wild guesses. Throw enough s--t at the wall and eventually something will stick.

I've had inside info, why couldn't he?

But who knows how current it is anyway, if Shaf wasn't on their radar I betcha he is now.

 

[glenwo2]

I've had inside info, why couldn't he?

But who knows how current it is anyway, if Shaf wasn't on their radar I betcha he is now.

"had" being the operative term, Lou.

And if I started throwing out EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO, in the end I will be proven right and seem like an "insider", too.

 

[BurntToast]

I try to get a nice blend of draft analysis. As a fan, I found something interesting, some people feel Mercer is still best suited as the 3C. Maybe someone can verify the analytics, but he was very successful there at the beginning of the year.

I hate player comparisons and prospect comparisons for prospects. I get it, it’s easy.

Patrick got hurt, and he probably won’t meet expectations but if he was healthy, who knows. Wright is not Patrick, but you know, it’s an easy comparison. It’s not the end of the world to select a center. Slaf and Zacha have little in common, other than them being bigger. Kakko is struggling. Yeah because the guy struggles in transition, he needs a traditional center. Slaf’s Liiga production is a concern, but he has produce at every tournament (U18’s, Helinka, Olympics and now the Men’s WC.)

 

[Lou is God]

"had" being the operative term, Lou.

And if I started throwing out EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO, in the end I will be proven right and seem like an "insider", too.

What??

 

[glenwo2]

What??

I wasn't implying that you had no sources, Lou.

I was referring more toward that other guy.

I trust you when you have something to say in regards to insider knowledge because usually you are dead-on.

I don't know this bigd person nor have I seen him post at all here.

Then he just waltzes in here out of nowhere and starts saying a bunch of so-called "insider" stuff he claims to have and I'm supposed expected to take it as gospel?

I don't think so.

 

[Lou is God]

I wasn't implying that you had no sources, Lou.

I was referring more toward that other guy.

I trust you when you have something to say in regards to insider knowledge because usually you are dead-on.

I don't know this bigd person nor have I seen him post at all here.

Then he just waltzes in here out of nowhere and starts saying a bunch of so-called "insider" stuff he claims to have and I'm supposed expected to take it as gospel?

I don't think so.

He's actually been a member since 2003, longer than me. And he seemed to post it in a take or leave it manner and wasn't really earthshattering talk,I'm just saying usually bullshitters are pushing something with a little more gravy to it. My take anyway, let's move on.