Confirmed with Link: Devils trade Marino and 5th to Utah for #49 and ‘25 EDM 2nd

[Emperoreddy]

Does Pesce end up blocking Nemec? Or does he get relegated to the 3rd pair as a luxury? You'd think they would want to give Nemec a path to top 4 time sooner than later.

Does Hamilton eventually become available? Pesce open up a move with a team like the Sabres for a Nemec/Power or Byram swap? Jersey needs another top defensive LD to play with Hamilton, yes? (Not saying Byram or Power are necessarily that).

Nemec isn't available, there will be plenty of minutes to go around.

NJ does need a LD, but most likely will sign one via free agency.

 

[RSeen]

Does Pesce end up blocking Nemec? Or does he get relegated to the 3rd pair as a luxury? You'd think they would want to give Nemec a path to top 4 time sooner than later.

Does Hamilton eventually become available? Pesce open up a move with a team like the Sabres for a Nemec/Power or Byram swap? Jersey needs another top defensive LD to play with Hamilton, yes? (Not saying Byram or Power are necessarily that).

I think all 3 will get around 20 minutes. Dougie will get PP time and the other PK time. Eventually Nemec increasing his time over the years.

 

[Saugus]

This trade was good value if nothing else. Turning Ty Smith and a third into two seconds and a solid year of Marino is pretty good.

Certainly better value than the other trade today.

 

[Normal Devil]

This trade was good value if nothing else. Turning Ty Smith and a third into two seconds and a solid year of Marino is pretty good.

Certainly better value than the other trade today.

I would have liked to see have seen the Devils turn some of the assets into a legit top six or middle six forward. Hopefully that is coming soon via trade or in free agency.

 

[billingtons ghost]

So many folks stuck in a rebuild mindset when this team is clearing room for more win now players that fit better

Hell, this isn’t even a bad value deal so the whining is bizarre

I'd get what you're saying if 'clearing room' wasn't getting draft picks for a guy who is here and could help us and if we didn't need more than six dmen to actually make it thru the season.

Marino on that contract in a reduced third pairing role seems like the Severson luxury of two years back. If it is just about size and ruggedness, why ship Bahl out?

Pesce isn't in the bag and it just means that instead of being 8 or 9 deep without having to play garbage, we are

Siegs Hamilton
Luke Nemec
? ?
? ?

Can't be Brendan Smith/DiSimone again.
Even if we get Dillon / Pesce I'm not sure if we are significantly better, and what happens if one guy goes down?

 

[NjDevsRR]

I'd get what you're saying if 'clearing room' wasn't getting draft picks for a guy who is here and could help us and if we didn't need more than six dmen to actually make it thru the season.

Marino on that contract in a reduced third pairing role seems like the Severson luxury of two years back. If it is just about size and ruggedness, why ship Bahl out?

Pesce isn't in the bag and it just means that instead of being 8 or 9 deep without having to play garbage, we are

Siegs Hamilton
Luke Nemec
? ?
? ?

Can't be Brendan Smith/DiSimone again.
Even if we get Dillon / Pesce I'm not sure if we are significantly better, and what happens if one guy goes down?

Healthy first pairing

+

Pesce + Dillon/other Vet D is 100% an upgrade over Bahl and Marino

I am sure Fitz will look for a 7th D as well

+

Hatakka Desimone are capable fillers

+

Keefe system


I have no worries if all that happens.

 

[Devil X]

I'd get what you're saying if 'clearing room' wasn't getting draft picks for a guy who is here and could help us and if we didn't need more than six dmen to actually make it thru the season.

Marino on that contract in a reduced third pairing role seems like the Severson luxury of two years back. If it is just about size and ruggedness, why ship Bahl out?

Pesce isn't in the bag and it just means that instead of being 8 or 9 deep without having to play garbage, we are

Siegs Hamilton
Luke Nemec
? ?
? ?

Can't be Brendan Smith/DiSimone again.
Even if we get Dillon / Pesce I'm not sure if we are significantly better, and what happens if one guy goes down?

Im sure a depth guy will be signed but they have DiSimone and Hatakka, MacDermid in a pinch. Any long term injury could prove troublesome unless they bring in a low paid vet like Smith.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Does Pesce end up blocking Nemec? Or does he get relegated to the 3rd pair as a luxury? You'd think they would want to give Nemec a path to top 4 time sooner than later.

Does Hamilton eventually become available? Pesce open up a move with a team like the Sabres for a Nemec/Power or Byram swap? Jersey needs another top defensive LD to play with Hamilton, yes? (Not saying Byram or Power are necessarily that).

I assume Luke/Pesce will be the higher pair to start over Nemec and his D partner but once Nemec shows he can carry a 1RD responsibility, Dougie will probably be traded to make way for Seamus Casey and Pesce will be on the third pair. They have a decent path to cut costs in the future so the present isn't really that much of a challenge right now for them with regards to time of ice, it's more so understanding when the younger guys become those elite minute munchers we expect them to be which should be relatively soon.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Healthy first pairing

+

Pesce + Dillon/other Vet D is 100% an upgrade over Bahl and Marino

I am sure Fitz will look for a 7th D as well

+

Hatakka Desimone are capable fillers

+

Keefe system


I have no worries if all that happens.

Yes I agree, but you're absolutely banking on your second line happening and it's all fiction right now. Say Both of those guys go elsewhere and while there are other pretty decent options UFA, none of them would look nearly as good (return of an older Kulikov? Tanev?) and would probably take overpays.

I'm not saying that it's going to be a Jack Johnson Giordano pairing but going into UFA expecting to nab two of the best options as 'the plan' is well... Kudos if you pull it off.

Pesce played 70 games and is pretty high mileage. Dillon will be 34 this year and any contract to give will prob have at least 3-4 years of post 35 on it.

And the guys you shipped don't help you at all in UFA so maybe Fitz is really gearing to send those futures in a trade instead?

 

[NjDevsRR]

Yes I agree, but you're absolutely banking on your second line happening and it's all fiction right now. Say Both of those guys go elsewhere and while there are other pretty decent options UFA, none of them would look nearly as good (return of an older Kulikov? Tanev?) and would probably take overpays.

I'm not saying that it's going to be a Jack Johnson Giordano pairing but going into UFA expecting to nab two of the best options as 'the plan' is well... Kudos if you pull it off.

Pesce played 70 games and is pretty high mileage. Dillon will be 34 this year and any contract to give will prob have at least 3-4 years of post 35 on it.

And the guys you shipped don't help you at all in UFA so maybe Fitz is really gearing to send those futures in a trade instead?

We shall see what Monday has in store. But its pretty clear that Fitz has a very good plan ready, also, NJ is now a destination for players. People want to come here so it will make things go easier for free agency

 

[billingtons ghost]

I assume Luke/Pesce will be the higher pair to start over Nemec and his D partner but once Nemec shows he can carry a 1RD responsibility, Dougie will probably be traded to make way for Seamus Casey and Pesce will be on the third pair. They have a decent path to cut costs in the future so the present isn't really that much of a challenge right now for them with regards to time of ice, it's more so understanding when the younger guys become those elite minute munchers we expect them to be which should be relatively soon.

How close do you think Casey is realistically?

 

[bossram]

I said I wasn't going to like this when it happens, and I don't. I am probably the most optimistic on a rebound for Marino (his 2022-23 was excellent) and I did not want him traded.

They're going to replace him with someone older, more expensive, and already declining. I don't think it's good.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Pesce is 29

 

[My3Sons]

Pesce is 29

So he’s ancient. Can you imagine being so close to 30? It must be awful to see the end coming so soon.

 

[Clam Jensen]

Bunch of AGE-ISTS around here. Im 34, I bet you all think I should be in a nursing home.

 

[JimEIV]

Bunch of AGE-ISTS around here. Im 34, I bet you all think I should be in a nursing home.

I was 34 20 years ago

 

[Ripshot 43]

Bunch of AGE-ISTS around here. Im 34, I bet you all think I should be in a nursing home.

Pssshh… You should be so lucky

I was 34 20 years ago

Good lord, that makes you almost 80.

 

[JimEIV]

Now I just use old football players jersey numbers to convey my age...

Like my birthday is coming up at the end of July and when someone asks me how old I am, I am just going to reply Brian Urlacher.

 

[Lou is God]

Now I just use old football players jersey numbers to convey my age...

Like my birthday is coming up at the end of July and when someone asks me how old I am, I am just going to reply Brian Urlacher.

Bob Brudzinski right here

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I said I wasn't going to like this when it happens, and I don't. I am probably the most optimistic on a rebound for Marino (his 2022-23 was excellent) and I did not want him traded.

They're going to replace him with someone older, more expensive, and already declining. I don't think it's good.

2.5 year difference. Pesce has a down but still better year than Marino and he’s “already declining”. And Marino has a disaster year and will rebound?

I’m not even in love with this potential swap but that just seems like a bit much. I really don’t think management bothers doing all this unless they have some really strong evidence that the fit is much better for what they’re trying to do.

 

[hidek91]

Bunch of AGE-ISTS around here. Im 34, I bet you all think I should be in a nursing home.

Well, there is 'some' gray area between being at your peak in competitive sports and a nursing home.

 

[Clam Jensen]

Well, there is 'some' gray area between being at your peak in competitive sports and a nursing home.

Nonsense.

 

[glenwo2]

Wtf is Fitz doing

Fitz things, I guess.

Which usually means Hit or miss.

 

[Cheddabombs]

Bunch of AGE-ISTS around here. Im 34, I bet you all think I should be in a nursing home.

 

[devilsblood]

This trade was good value if nothing else. Turning Ty Smith and a third into two seconds and a solid year of Marino is pretty good.

Certainly better value than the other trade today.

The Smith-Marino trade was certainly good value for NJ.

Was the Marino-picks trade good value is a different question.

I leave the trade for which we acquired Marino out of the equation. What I do factor in though is the fact that we are likely getting Pesce to fill that spot. Have to also factor in Pesce's contract so all variables are not yet known, but I feel we have to wait and see who fills that spot before judging the trade.

The trade in a vacuum seems like we didn't do all that great though.