Confirmed with Link: Devils trade Marino and 5th to Utah for #49 and ‘25 EDM 2nd

[Nemec]

Extremely jank deal but he didn't have a future here so it's basically a mid deal

 

[JimEIV]

Whatever but it seems more like lateral move for a worse contract.

I don't see the point honestly.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Whatever but it seems more like lateral move for a worse contract.

I don't see the point honestly.

For a guy who preaches fits and defensive dmen, I thought you would've loved the approach the Devils to the defense this summer lol

 

[Dialamo]

I was hoping for a Marino bounceback this season...oh well!

 

[MB3]

The offer for pesce is apparently 6.5x6.
It’s very real they’re aiming for him. He’s apparently interested as well. Devils will also apparently take a run at Dillon.

I’m just annoyed another good trade piece, like the first round pick we pissed away on a project when better players were there with less issues, was used for nothing picks.

rage bait is my kink and you make me soooooo sweaty bro

 

[Better Call Sal]

Sorry to see you go, my esteemed colleague.

 

[JimEIV]

For a guy who preaches fits and defensive dmen, I thought you would've loved the approach the Devils to the defense this summer lol

Marino one for one for Pesce doesn't really do much for our Defense from my POV.

And we're probably going to pay 2M more per year for it. I just don't see the point when there are so many other areas that need to be addressed and are going to cost money.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Marino one for one for Pesce doesn't really do much for our Defense from my POV.

And we're probably going to pay 2M more per year for it. I just don't see the point when there are so many other areas that need to be addressed and are going to cost money.

Management must see Pesce as a significantly better fit for Luke than Marino.

 

[JimEIV]

Management must see Pesce as a significantly better fit for Luke than Marino.

I would imagine that is the case. Is it worth the extra money though?

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

Why did they dump this guy for just picks...huh

I guess Winnipeg laughed at them with a starting proposal of marino for mcgroarty

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Marino one for one for Pesce doesn't really do much for our Defense from my POV.

And we're probably going to pay 2M more per year for it. I just don't see the point when there are so many other areas that need to be addressed and are going to cost money.

I think it's the idea that Marino can't be the rover he was with Luke that he was with Graves. I would've loved to keep Marino but who do you realistically pair him with to get that 22-23 Marino? Siegs? He was a head case himself and it's asking for trouble, it would also mean that Luke would be with Dougie most likely and we'd be ripping out our collective hairs with the mistakes that pair would be. It sucks but if they were going for a more cohesive unit then Marino had to go unfortunately.

 

[Normal Devil]

I would imagine that is the case. Is it worth the extra money though?

Probably a move with the playoffs in mind. Pesce much more battle tested.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I would imagine that is the case. Is it worth the extra money though?

1.5-2M more for a better pairing and Luke unlocking with a more defensive partner, easy yes. The issue is Pesce's decline might hit hard but that's the entire premise of UFA, these players have flaws which is why their original teams let them walk to UFA.

 

[JimEIV]

1.5-2M more for a better pairing and Luke unlocking with a more defensive partner, easy yes. The issue is Pesce's decline might hit hard but that's the entire premise of UFA, these players have flaws which is why their original teams let them walk to UFA.

The thing is after you pay Pesce an extra 2m to replace Marino and accommodate Luke, then you are going to have to give Luke a massive contract too...

Seems like a frivolous use of cap space?

 

[Triumph]

I think it's the idea that Marino can't be the rover he was with Luke that he was with Graves. I would've loved to keep Marino but who do you realistically pair him with to get that 22-23 Marino? Siegs? He was a head case himself and it's asking for trouble, it would also mean that Luke would be with Dougie most likely and we'd be ripping out our collective hairs with the mistakes that pair would be. It sucks but if they were going for a more cohesive unit then Marino had to go unfortunately.

Siegenthaler-Marino was a bad pairing, 47% xG, now granted I imagine a lot of that was in specialized situations but you'd think on paper that pairing would be better and it wasn't.

 

[NJDevs26]

Yeah to expound on a point someone made about Pesce being a better fit with Luke, the reported interest in Dillon also makes sense as a vet partner for Nemec. Then you have your two prized sophomores with long-time vets as opposed to Marino having to be more stay-at-home with Luke and Bahl with Nemec, also putting Siegs back with Dougie and hope they recapture the magic of two-three years ago.

 

[Andre Palot]

Not a fan of this at all. Hopefully Fitz has something bigger up his sleeve

 

[AfroThunder396]

I think it's pretty clear what the plan is: Siegenthaler-Dougie is the short-term workhorse pairing who soak up minutes and will eventually be phased out via trade within the next ~2 years.

Luke gets Pesce as a long-term partner and mentor while Nemec gets Dillon as a long-term partner and mentor. As they grow and mature, they will get more responsibility until they're ready to take over as elite top pairing guys.

Siegenthaler leaving opens the door for Silayev and Dougie leaving opens the door for Casey while clearing pretty significant salary. We should be able to get assets for both of those guys, Siege is still relatively young and has a good contract and Dougie's deal will be much easier to move starting next summer.

Marino didn't really elevate Luke, or for Bahl either. He did pretty poorly with Siege this year too. Good player, but if he's unable to shelter/compliment the young players effectively then he's not going to have a ton of value on this roster. Long term, Luke and Nemec are the cornerstone pieces. If you can't play effectively with one of them then you're not in the top-4 and you shouldn't be making top-4 money.

 

[HughesCorporation]

we got the best year out of johnny and enjoyed it.. best of luck in utah. he wasnt physical but he never shy'ed away from the big dump in hits getting to the puck. he did his dirty work

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

I'm not liking the things we are doing if I'm being honest. Hope whatever the direction is (because I'm losing sight of it) works.

In the same boat as you. But I didn't like a lot of things Lou did and well, it ended up working out (until it didn't post lockout).

 

[Devil X]

The thing is after you pay Pesce an extra 2m to replace Marino and accommodate Luke, then you are going to have to give Luke a massive contract too...

Seems like a frivolous use of cap space?

I really dont feel like Luke and Marino played well together last year.

To me this is a pure fit thing right wrong or indifferent. Marino didnt fit with Luke going forward from what they saw. They feel that Pesce defensive ablilities will be a better fit so yes that will make the defense over all better. T

Pesce is always extremely good on the PK which is something else they want to improve.

The money will work out everyone always talks about it and year after year we watch teams dump contracts with ease. Hell we have 3 2nds next year we could attach one and send Palat somewhere.

We should let the plan come together and see what happens.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

The thing is after you pay Pesce an extra 2m to replace Marino and accommodate Luke, then you are going to have to give Luke a massive contract too...

Seems like a frivolous use of cap space?

If Luke becomes the player we think he should with a better defensive partner, I have no problems with paying him his worth. We went a decade plus with bum rosters, if we get good players finally that should be the least of our worries. Unlocking the young dmen has to be the priority of Keefe/Fitz along with consistent playoffs imo

Siegenthaler-Marino was a bad pairing, 47% xG, now granted I imagine a lot of that was in specialized situations but you'd think on paper that pairing would be better and it wasn't.

Right and after their awful years in 23-24, you just couldn't bank on them coming back to their elite levels. That was too optimistic for the biggest Siegs and Marino defenders. It also leaves the doubt who is Luke's partner too which was a clear issue last year for the coaching staff where he juggled around the lineup a bit

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

I didn’t even know about the NTC kicking in. That makes it worse. Just dumping a guy cause there is someone better willing to sign in NJ. He had a bad year, I get it, that’s the gig, it’s a cold league.

It's a business, not a charity. If there's a better player, then yea the worst player will get dumped.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I think it's pretty clear what the plan is: Siegenthaler-Dougie is the short-term workhorse pairing who soak up minutes and will eventually be phased out via trade within the next ~2 years.

Luke gets Pesce as a long-term partner and mentor while Nemec gets Dillon as a long-term partner and mentor. As they grow and mature, they will get more responsibility until they're ready to take over as elite top pairing guys.

Siegenthaler leaving opens the door for Silayev and Dougie leaving opens the door for Casey while clearing pretty significant salary. We should be able to get assets for both of those guys, Siege is still relatively young and has a good contract and Dougie's deal will be much easier to move starting next summer.

Marino didn't really elevate Luke, or for Bahl either. He did pretty poorly with Siege this year too. Good player, but if he's unable to shelter/compliment the young players effectively then he's not going to have a ton of value on this roster. Long term, Luke and Nemec are the cornerstone pieces. If you can't play effectively with one of them then you're not in the top-4 and you shouldn't be making top-4 money.

Bingo, they still think Dougie can carry Siegs like in 22-23. They're basically waiting for Silayev and Casey to break through to take over Siegs/Hamliton roles for the team as the minute munching/rover pair while Luke/Nemec become the pair behind them fully developed into monsters as well and then you have Pesce on the third pair and hopefully doesn't become a nuisance with his cap hit at that point. Chances are Dougie is traded once they think Nemec is the true 1RHD and Casey is on the cusp of being a regular. Rinse and repeat as most NHL blue lines are in today's cap era

 

[Devil X]

Bingo, they still think Dougie can carry Siegs like in 22-23. They're basically waiting for Silayev and Casey to break through to take over Siegs/Hamliton roles for the team as the minute munching/rover pair while Luke/Nemec become the pair behind them fully developed into monsters as well and then you have Pesce on the third pair and hopefully doesn't become a nuisance with his cap hit at that point. Chances are Dougie is traded once they think Nemec is the true 1RHD and Casey is on the cusp of being a regular. Rinse and repeat as most NHL blue lines are in today's cap era

At that point with how much the cap will go up a 6 million dollar AAV will feel like a 4 million AAV now.