Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part VI

[Darkauron]

The last time we had 3 30 goal scorers we went to the Stanley cup finals just saying everyone! Cup.jpeg

 

[bossram]

Neither of these two prospects are going to be able to provide what Severson does for at least another couple of years.

I mentioned in the Luke thread, I don't think Luke is NHL ready right now. I think we going to have to go through a lot of growing pains with Luke defensively next year. But if we can keep him sheltered and ease him in it won't be too big of a problem... that said, I am not sure how you can do that with two rookie Dmen that both may need varying degrees of hand holding for the next two seasons.

One of Severson or Graves has to be back next year. Or a veteran 7th better than Smith has to be added we can't go into next season with Bahl, Luke and Nemec as the top 7. All of those 3 just aren't ready to be 20+ minutes a night regular NHL Dman and that's what you'll be asking from at least one of them.

Asking one of them to fill the 20+ minutes role and giving the other two no support of a veteran Dman would be a real bad move.

Yep. I (the biggest anti-Graves guy) would personally bring back Graves, but they do need to keep at least one of Graves or Severson - or find a replacement top-four defenseman.

It's bananas that some people want to go into next season with essentially three rookies on the blueline (Luke, Bahl, Nemec). That's a recipe for disaster.

 

[Eggtimer]

Yep. I (the biggest anti-Graves guy) would personally bring back Graves, but they do need to keep at least one of Graves or Severson - or find a replacement top-four defenseman.

It's bananas that some people want to go into next season with essentially three rookies on the blueline (Luke, Bahl, Nemec). That's a recipe for disaster.

I think we try to keep Graves , and if he chooses to go elsewhere ( don’t blame him at all if he gets way more $ ) , we get a stop gap veteran. Just nor sure who that could be and if he can be as effective as Graves.

 

[bossram]

I think we try to keep Graves , and if he chooses to go elsewhere ( don’t blame him at all if he gets way more $ ) , we get a stop gap veteran. Just nor sure who that could be and if he can be as effective as Graves.

The UFA defenseman market is thin. I'd rather keep Graves because we know he can handle a brutally oriented shutdown pair with Marino. The options out there aren't great.

If Graves wants a 4 year x mid-4 million AAV, I'd give it to him.

 

[Hisch13r]

Really intrigued to see how we play Boston soon without being in our biggest slump of the year

They’re back to dominating games recently but the finishing is in a huge slump

 

[glenwo2]

BEAUTIFUL.

JUST BEAUTIFUL.

 

[Saugus]

Dominating the top 3 of the Atlantic for a large majority of our games but having a 2-5-1 record is very annoying.

That has to be the only division we don't have a winning record against though.

And for as bad as most of the teams out West are, I think dominating the Pacific so thoroughly more than makes up for it. What's the record there, something like 15-0-1?

 

[JimEIV]

The last time we had 3 30 goal scorers we went to the Stanley cup finals just saying everyone! Cup.jpeg

In 2012 scoring 31 or more goals meant you were top a top 20 goal scorer in the league.

With about a dozen or more games to go in this season there are already 39 30 goal scorers in the league and there will probably be closer to 50 by seasons end.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

The last time we had 3 30 goal scorers we went to the Stanley cup finals just saying everyone! Cup.jpeg

So if we have four that means we win it all, right??

 

[Saugus]

In 2012 scoring 31 or more goals meant you were top a top 20 goal scorer in the league.

With about a dozen or more games to go in this season there are already 39 30 goal scorers in the league and there will probably be closer to 50 by seasons end.

To me, the more encouraging stat is our goal differential. I don't much care who is scoring the goals, as long as we are scoring them, and allowing fewer ourselves.

And by that metric, we're doing very well. Second best goal differential in the league at +55, and in the top 5 teams for both GF and GA.

Two-way dominance.

 

[JimEIV]

To me, the more encouraging stat is our goal differential. I don't much care who is scoring the goals, as long as we are scoring them, and allowing fewer ourselves.

And by that metric, we're doing very well. Second best goal differential in the league at +55, and in the top 5 teams for both GF and GA.

Two-way dominance.

Absolutely. 100% agree.

 

[DevilsHughes86]

So if we have four that means we win it all, right??

Technically we do, but let's hope Mercer can get to 30 before the end of the season!

 

[Devils731]

In 2012 scoring 31 or more goals meant you were top a top 20 goal scorer in the league.

With about a dozen or more games to go in this season there are already 39 30 goal scorers in the league and there will probably be closer to 50 by seasons end.

at changing 30 goals into 31 to avoid “30 players scored 30 goals or more” and making it into “31 goals made you top 20! (or as low as 24th)”

Really egregious cherry picking and data sleight of hand there.

Scoring is up so it’s not a surprise goals
per season rankings have changed but Bratt and Nico are only about 10 spots lower than the equivalent for 2011-2012.

Scoring is up and Hughes, Nico, and Bratt will all end up with more goals than their equivalent Devil from 2011-2012, so still really good.

 

[Bleedred]

To me, the more encouraging stat is our goal differential. I don't much care who is scoring the goals, as long as we are scoring them, and allowing fewer ourselves.

And by that metric, we're doing very well. Second best goal differential in the league at +55, and in the top 5 teams for both GF and GA.

Two-way dominance.

I read most of this in Lou’s voice.

I remember him citing goal differential quite often when he used to get asked about if the team needs more scoring.

 

[JimEIV]

at changing 30 goals into 31 to avoid “30 players scored 30 goals or more” and making it into “31 goals made you top 20! (or as low as 24th)”

Really egregious cherry picking and data sleight of hand there.

Scoring is up so it’s not a surprise goals
per season rankings have changed but Bratt and Nico are only about 10 spots lower than the equivalent for 2011-2012.

Scoring is up and Hughes, Nico, and Bratt will all end up with more goals than their equivalent Devil from 2011-2012, so still really good.

No sleight of hand, it's what the top 20 was in 2012....a completed 2012, after 82 games. 31 goals and you were a top 20 goal scorer in 2012.

There are 59 players with 25 or more goals with roughly a dozen games left....30 goals in 2012 is not the same as 30 goals in 2023.

30 goals is basically no big deal this year.

 

[MartyOwns]

as long as we are scoring them, and allowing fewer ourselves

see this is where you start to lose me, with the overly-complicated advanced stats. in english, please.

 

[Sdevils42]

Neither of these two prospects are going to be able to provide what Severson does for at least another couple of years.

I mentioned in the Luke thread, I don't think Luke is NHL ready right now. I think we going to have to go through a lot of growing pains with Luke defensively next year. But if we can keep him sheltered and ease him in it won't be too big of a problem... that said, I am not sure how you can do that with two rookie Dmen that both may need varying degrees of hand holding for the next two seasons.

One of Severson or Graves has to be back next year. Or a veteran 7th better than Smith has to be added we can't go into next season with Bahl, Luke and Nemec as the top 7. All of those 3 just aren't ready to be 20+ minutes a night regular NHL Dman and that's what you'll be asking from at least one of them.

Asking one of them to fill the 20+ minutes role and giving the other two no support of a veteran Dman would be a real bad move.

Agree very much w/ this view on L. Hughes. Admittedly haven't watched a second of him at the NCAA level but watched a good deal of him on the U20s @ the WJC and was very skeptical of him defensively. He is def not ready especially at this point in the season. Am fine w/ him being called up to practice and get some experience but if he's in the lineup as a necessity that gives me worry.

Prospects are what they are, they're prospects vs a finished product. Obviously the future looks very bright with Hugues, Nemec and Casey but we have to keep in mind they haven't played any NHL minutes yet.

 

[Call Me Al]

at changing 30 goals into 31 to avoid “30 players scored 30 goals or more” and making it into “31 goals made you top 20! (or as low as 24th)”

Really egregious cherry picking and data sleight of hand there.

Scoring is up so it’s not a surprise goals
per season rankings have changed but Bratt and Nico are only about 10 spots lower than the equivalent for 2011-2012.

Scoring is up and Hughes, Nico, and Bratt will all end up with more goals than their equivalent Devil from 2011-2012, so still really good.

the funny thing is it just could have just been a valid point in its own - scoring is up now so it doesn’t mean the same as it did in 2012, great. no need to bad-faith it up like that

 

[Sdevils42]

I posted it in the game thread. But maybe you shutdown Jack. Every other league cooks in some rest. There is no way he is 100%. His effort is the but his shot and passes are so freaking weak. If he gets a clean pass off, the PP scores more often than not. Lately, it gets picked off. Not good if Bratt doesn’t back check (or Dougie has a brain fart).

Bratts hasn’t been great, sure. Let’s give some of that anger to the defense. Dougie and Siegs have been terrible for a bunch of games. Sevs and Marino haven’t been much better.

Noticed something w/ Jack during the Avs game. He's gotta be hurt or maybe tired as some have alluded to but he's certainly Jack pre-injury.

 

[JimEIV]

31 was the demarcation of the top 20 goal scores in 2012....how the f*** is pointing that out bad faith or slieght of hand?

You people are f***ing insane.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

31 was the demarcation of the top 20 goal scores in 2012....how the f*** is pointing that out bad faith or slieght of hand?

You people are f***ing insane.

whats insane is you failing to give a guy credit because of a take you had 3-4 years ago and refused to change since then, even though that player has steadily improved each of the last few years.

 

[AfroThunder396]

"Nico's lack of production is a disgrace."

Nico: *Scores 30 goals and is at a point per game*

"Actually points don't matter anymore because there's more scoring."

 

[RememberTheName]

With the way people react when Sevs/Graves/Hamilton make defensive mistakes, I guarantee Luke is going to be quite the polarizing topic for many on this board. I'm quite excited to see the absolute chaos when he has his first run of 3 or so classic Severson defensive games in a row.

 

[Devs3cups]

With the way people react when Sevs/Graves/Hamilton make defensive mistakes, I guarantee Luke is going to be quite the polarizing topic for many on this board. I'm quite excited to see the absolute chaos when he has his first run of 3 or so classic Severson defensive games in a row.

Although I agree the overreactions should be quite tasty, to be fair, I feel like there’s a difference between an elite offensive rookie D-man making mistakes and a seasoned, 9-year NHL veteran D-man.

I certainly hope people will give Luke more leeway to start his career and polish his game.

 

[Devils731]

"Nico's lack of production is a disgrace."

Nico: *Scores 30 goals and is at a point per game*

"Actually points don't matter anymore because there's more scoring."

Nico and Bratt are only tied for 29th in goal scoring while Parise tied for 20th and Clarkson tied for 25th

This total of 14 spots is wildly different annd shows how much lesser Nico and Bratt are…also, can we focus on scoring 31 goals since 11 guys scored 30 or 31?