Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part V

[JimEIV]

Everything bad that has happened since 2018 is all Hischier’s fault. Seems reasonable.

No, mostly Shero then Nico.

 

[Eggtimer]

No, mostly Shero then Nico.

I blame Rod Pelly for anything negatively related to the Devils. It works for me .

 

[NjDevsRR]

Where Timo

 

[JimEIV]

I blame Rod Pelly for anything negatively related to the Devils. It works for me .

Big fan of Hot Rod ... undrafted, 4 year NCAA guy who went on to have a relatively long AHL career.

But mostly because he's from Kitimat BC...the Kitimat river is a spectacular Salmon and Steelhead fishery

 

[JrFischer54]

They do have a Captain for an X amount of years.

They’re Captain until leave or the team takes the Captaincy away.

Are you proposing NHL Captaincy Term Limits?

No I’m not proposing that but first I have to ask do captains even matter?

 

[guitarguyvic]

My feeling is without an improved Defense and Jack exploding this team would be just as shitty as last year... that's my honest opinion...so I see him more as someone riding coattails than part of the solution.

How can he be riding coattails...there's only three guys ahead of him in points and it's not like he plays on a line regularly with any of them. And the next best point producer has 17 less than he does.

Your feelings about him are irrational. You're entitled to have them, but that doesn't make them justified. And I say that as someone nobody would classify as a Nico fanboy.

 

[JrFischer54]

First two years when Jack was steaming shit yeah, it was both...but he became a difference maker. Would've been nice to see more during his ELC but better late than never like Nico.

Also I have always said Jack shouldn't be judged the same as Nico. They were on different timelines. Nico did nothing for a long time.

Woah I just need to know your thoughts on age over 28 players? And if the salary cap if it’s a worry? Before i ask to be your friend!

 

[Triumph]

No, mostly Shero then Nico.

lol. Sure.

 

[JimEIV]

Woah I just need to know your thoughts on age over 28 players? And if the salary cap if it’s a worry? Before i ask to be your friend!

I'm not the person to ask about the cap. I go out of way to not pay attention to salary and terms. I have no problem with over 30 y.o. players at all.

 

[glenwo2]

ooooooooooooooooh boy a question-off
ok i'll answer you if you answer mine

ps i kinda did

If your goal was to confuse the hell out of me, you've succeeded 'cause that response made absolutely no sense.

 

[glenwo2]

Maybe? Its a weird spot. Sure, we could move him and maybe get a return like Minnesota got for Fiala last year, but this team also wants to compete now. We have a roster capable of competing. So I'm not going to say for sure that Fitz would trade him for futures just to get something for him. He may value the contributions to a cup contender for a year more than that.

Maybe you can look for a hockey trade of some sort, but those are kind of hard to predict.

I'd like to think Bratt won't want to be dealt to a losing situation (not now when the team he's on is finally on the upswing)...

I am still believing a deal will be hammered out but that it will happen this offseason instead of during the season.

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

Timo ? You there ?

 

[JimEIV]

lol. Sure.

Your asset tree was always nonsense.

Now with the benefits of hindsight we can see how nonsensical it truly was.

Fitzgerald rebuilt the defense and addressed goaltending overnight with no special assets at all. Shero had his thumb up his ass for 5 years

 

[SJinNewJersey]

He never improved...he was stagnant after his promising rookie season. We're 6 year in and he's just not a difference maker. That's a huge disappointment out of the organizations first ever #1OA.

Top 30 Centers In The League Right Now?

Ill bite: McDavid MacKinnon Draisaitl Matthews Hughes Thompson Crosby Pettersson Barkov Stamkos (C/W) Aho Zibanejad Point Malkin Miller (C/W) Tavares Eichel Scheifele Hintz Bergeron Hischier Stutzle Barzal Lindholm Larkin Hertl RNH Kuznetsov Thomas Kopitar HM: Horvat, PLD, ROR, Kadri...

forums.hfboards.com

The mainboard shows more love to Nico than you do.

 

[JimEIV]

Top 30 Centers In The League Right Now?

Ill bite: McDavid MacKinnon Draisaitl Matthews Hughes Thompson Crosby Pettersson Barkov Stamkos (C/W) Aho Zibanejad Point Malkin Miller (C/W) Tavares Eichel Scheifele Hintz Bergeron Hischier Stutzle Barzal Lindholm Larkin Hertl RNH Kuznetsov Thomas Kopitar HM: Horvat, PLD, ROR, Kadri...

forums.hfboards.com

The mainboard shows more love to Nico than you do.

They didn't have watch the previous 5 years

 

[JrFischer54]

If your goal was to confuse the hell out of me, you've succeeded 'cause that response made absolutely no sense.

Sigh


You said you were waiting for an answer to a question I already answered and I’m still waiting for someone to answer mine but it’s ok

I'm not the person to ask about the cap. I go out of way to not pay attention to salary and terms. I have no problem with over 30 y.o. players at all.

My man!

 

[Triumph]

Your asset tree was always nonsense.

Now with the benefits of hindsight we can see how nonsensical it truly was.

Fitzgerald rebuilt the defense and addressed goaltending overnight with no special assets at all. Shero had his thumb up his ass for 5 years

He signed the top UFA on the market, traded a former first round pick, and traded three picks besides. He has gotten extremely lucky that Siegenthaler turned into what he has - he showed signs of being a reliable guy in limited minutes, but the idea that he would be on the top pairing of a playoff Devils team would've been dismissed by everyone two years ago - and he also got lucky that nobody besides the Devils were all that interested in Hamilton.

And he signed the big UFA D at the right time - Shero never committed to a big UFA D because right now we'd be staring at his awful contract on CapFriendly waiting for it to end.

 

[NJDevs26]

No I’m not proposing that but first I have to ask do captains even matter?

Yes, but they matter in ways that aren't obvious to you and me. We don't care about players talking to the refs, talking to the media, organizing OTA's and being in charge of certain other off-ice activities. And we can't see how someone 'leads' in the locker room in terms of temperament and how they're a conduit between the coaches and the other players, those are intangibles you can't measure with stats.

But it's hilarious to me how people always have to equate leadership with talent, those are two different things. If your best player is also your best leader, great but it isn't necessarily the case all the time and fans aren't the only ones who try to force-feed the role to the most talented player on the team for the sake of it. Ovi probably got the captaincy years before he was truly ready for it, because of who he was while Crosby was far more prepared for it given his demeanor and the fact he was already used to being in a media fishbowl before ever getting to the NHL.

 

[glenwo2]

Sigh


You said you were waiting for an answer to a question I already answered and I’m still waiting for someone to answer mine but it’s ok

Well if you would be so kind as to direct me to the actual post you created that provided that info, that would be great.

Some of us don't have the time to scroll back page after page looking for specific posts. Just give me the link to it (you know how to do that).

 

[JimEIV]

He signed the top UFA on the market, traded a former first round pick, and traded three picks besides. He has gotten extremely lucky that Siegenthaler turned into what he has - he showed signs of being a reliable guy in limited minutes, but the idea that he would be on the top pairing of a playoff Devils team would've been dismissed by everyone two years ago - and he also got lucky that nobody besides the Devils were all that interested in Hamilton.

And he signed the big UFA D at the right time - Shero never committed to a big UFA D because right now we'd be staring at his awful contract on CapFriendly waiting for it to end.

He really never committed to any D or goaltending at all.

I mean Subban was the only attempt and it was a piss poor decision.

Murray, Kulikov, Seigenthaler, Graves and Marino...all individually are better than anything Shero did. That was a little less than 2 seasons...while building up with Nemec and Luke.

And it's funny that we traded Smith, a bust pick for Marino. Because it further illustrates the ineptitude Shero displayed with the defense.

 

[MauDevils]

It's debatable if Kulikov was a better acquisition than Taylor Hall. But it's definitely close.

 

[JimEIV]

It's debatable if Kulikov was a better acquisition than Taylor Hall. But it's definitely close.

Taylor Hall switched to Defense? Was it recently?

 

[JrFischer54]

Yes, but they matter in ways that aren't obvious to you and me. We don't care about players talking to the refs, talking to the media, organizing OTA's and being in charge of certain other off-ice activities. And we can't see how someone 'leads' in the locker room in terms of temperament and how they're a conduit between the coaches and the other players, those are intangibles you can't measure with stats.

But it's hilarious to me how people always have to equate leadership with talent, those are two different things. If your best player is also your best leader, great but it isn't necessarily the case all the time and fans aren't the only ones who try to force-feed the role to the most talented player on the team for the sake of it. Ovi probably got the captaincy years before he was truly ready for it, because of who he was while Crosby was far more prepared for it given his demeanor and the fact he was already used to being in a media fishbowl before ever getting to the NHL.

With all that being said you can agree then nico was given it early

 

[NJDevs26]

Yeah Fitz got luckier in FA than Shero did (although Shero was luckier the other way that Shattenkirk didn't take his money) since there was no Dougie Hamilton available and willing to come here in UFA then, but he certainly has been a LOT better at trades to this point. Shero's Mirco Mueller was Fitz's Siegenthaler. Shero's Subban was Fitz's John Marino.

 

[NJDevs26]

With all that being said you can agree then nico was given it early

I think Nico has the right attitude and demeanor for it, and would have gotten it eventually one way or the other. It hardly mattered if he got it one or two years too soon because the team was gonna be bad then regardless.