Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part V

[SteveCangialosi123]

He's got 35 points in 47 games on an absolutely horrific team. He had 92 points last year. He's far from "absolutely terrible".

He is extremely bad now. Maybe he’s just not trying, but what he’s doing right now is horrific.

 

[JrFischer54]

deadline prices are ALWAYS higher. It happens every year.

the reported asking price for Tarasenko was like a 2nd round pick in the summer and he returned a 1st at the deadline.



hes got some of the worst underlying numbers on that "absolutely horrific" team. Hes got a 40% CF% which is last on the team among regular forwards and a 38% xGF% which is 12th of 14 regular forwards.

That’s not much “higher” and the blues did retain salary which probably wouldn’t have been the case in the summer for that second.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Deadline prices are ALWAYS higher. I am not sure how thats even debatable.

 

[MadDevil]

16 of his 35 points are on the PP. He also has a bad hip, and we know first hand how much that can affect players who rely on their ability to skate. He's not worth the risk unless we're talking absolutely dirt cheap, clearance bin price to acquire him.

 

[JimEIV]

stop teasing us Weekesy

Weekes: "Have you seen Timo Meier?"

NJ guy: "What is that"




I'm going going to miss it here when I leave in a couple of months.

 

[JrFischer54]

16 of his 35 points are on the PP. He also has a bad hip, and we know first hand how much that can affect players who rely on their ability to skate. He's not worth the risk unless we're talking absolutely dirt cheap, clearance bin price to acquire him.

Lol those 16pp points would put him 4th on this team also the 35pts would put him 5th.

Hey whatever I rather have him again I don’t think the price is going to be high to get him. If it is a lot then by all means stay away

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

 

[The Grinder]

stop teasing us Weekesy

Is this usual poking the fan base by Weekes or does he know something? This is kinda cruel.

 

[Incharge1976]

Weekes: "Have you seen Timo Meier?"

NJ guy: "What is that"




I'm going going to miss it here when I leave in a couple of months.

It's hilarious. I just had an intro conversation with someone from NJ on a dating after the Seattle game which went something like that. Her profile said she was a teacher, so she is either lying, a raging alcoholic, or originally from Sweden.

 

[Devils731]

Is this usual poking the fan base by Weekes or does he know something? This is kinda cruel.

Probably a little of both.

 

[NjDevsRR]

It's hilarious. I just had an intro conversation with someone from NJ on a dating after the Seattle game which went something like that. Her profile said she was a teacher, so she is either lying, a raging alcoholic, or originally from Sweden.

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[MB3]

deadline prices are ALWAYS higher. It happens every year.

the reported asking price for Tarasenko was like a 2nd round pick in the summer and he returned a 1st at the deadline.



hes got some of the worst underlying numbers on that "absolutely horrific" team. Hes got a 40% CF% which is last on the team among regular forwards and a 38% xGF% which is 12th of 14 regular forwards.

formulating an entire argument for not acquiring a first ballot hall of famer at a position of need because of “underlying metrics” is so beyond eye-roll worthy.

advanced stats are useful. but they’re not perfect, and they’re so obviously skewed based on the skill level of the other players on the ice with the player. he’s on a horrendous team, his underlying numbers being bad don’t scare me.

i’m most worried about his his injury. if he’s hurt, the devils should steer clear. otherwise I’m jumping at the chance to add a conn smythe winner to jack’s line.

 

[JrFischer54]

formulating an entire argument for not acquiring a first ballot hall of famer at a position of need because of “underlying metrics” is so beyond eye-roll worthy.

advanced stats are useful. but they’re not perfect, and they’re so obviously skewed based on the skill level of the other players on the ice with the player. he’s on a horrendous team, his underlying numbers being bad don’t scare me.

i’m most worried about his his injury. if he’s hurt, the devils should steer clear. otherwise I’m jumping at the chance to add a conn smythe winner to jack’s line.

You go after the stat bro community!

 

[Guttersniped]

Weekes: "Have you seen Timo Meier?"

NJ guy: "What is that"




I'm going going to miss it here when I leave in a couple of months.

“leave”

formulating an entire argument for not acquiring a first ballot hall of famer at a position of need because of “underlying metrics” is so beyond eye-roll worthy.

advanced stats are useful. but they’re not perfect, and they’re so obviously skewed based on the skill level of the other players on the ice with the player. he’s on a horrendous team, his underlying numbers being bad don’t scare me.

i’m most worried about his his injury. if he’s hurt, the devils should steer clear. otherwise I’m jumping at the chance to add a conn smythe winner to jack’s line.

I just don’t want a spend a lot on a rental winger. Does that work for you?

 

[MB3]

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I just don’t want a spend a lot on a rental winger. Does that work for you?

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

I've talked myself into rolling the dice and doing Holtz + a 1st (top 6 protected) for an unextended Meier. Fitz then has to get Bratt and Meier both signed to 4+ year deals at a minimum for it to be a win and I trust him to do that.

 

[Guttersniped]

deadline prices are ALWAYS higher. It happens every year.

the reported asking price for Tarasenko was like a 2nd round pick in the summer and he returned a 1st at the deadline.



hes got some of the worst underlying numbers on that "absolutely horrific" team. Hes got a 40% CF% which is last on the team among regular forwards and a 38% xGF% which is 12th of 14 regular forwards.

Actually Kane’s underlying stats have been weak for years, he’s kind of known for that.

He was practically a statistical anomaly, it has been a point of conversation among the Evil Public Advanced Stats Villains that haunt some posters nightmares apparently.

(Yes, they have especially cratered this season but he’s on a very bad team with no other high end players.)

HockeyViz kind of illustrates why:

He doesn’t drive play, his defense is what it is and the goal scoring has gone down. He gets his points and value now by being an unreal playmaker making sexy sexy plays, which worked better when he had DeBrincat to feed.

It’s a little like playing Huberdeau with Lucic, on a team with way fewer goalscorers than Florida, and wondering why he has less points.

Players have strengths and weaknesses, I’m guessing DeBrincat misses him.

He’s not really the guy I’d spend our 1st on though.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

formulating an entire argument for not acquiring a first ballot hall of famer at a position of need because of “underlying metrics” is so beyond eye-roll worthy.

advanced stats are useful. but they’re not perfect, and they’re so obviously skewed based on the skill level of the other players on the ice with the player. he’s on a horrendous team, his underlying numbers being bad don’t scare me.

i’m most worried about his his injury. if he’s hurt, the devils should steer clear. otherwise I’m jumping at the chance to add a conn smythe winner to jack’s line.

We should trade for Jaromir Jagr and Peter Forsberg too.

 

[JrFischer54]

I've talked myself into rolling the dice and doing Holtz + a 1st (top 6 protected) for an unextended Meier. Fitz then has to get Bratt and Meier both signed to 4+ year deals at a minimum for it to be a win and I trust him to do that.

I’m really surprised the “future” crowd isn’t more open to bringing in an unextended Meier since the price will be way less then an extended one. I also don’t think you need protections on the first rounder unless jacks injury is way worse then they are leading on.

 

[Triumph]

formulating an entire argument for not acquiring a first ballot hall of famer at a position of need because of “underlying metrics” is so beyond eye-roll worthy.

He's been in the league for fifteen years - if you don't think Patrick Kane is dogshit defensively, you haven't been paying attention.

advanced stats are useful. but they’re not perfect, and they’re so obviously skewed based on the skill level of the other players on the ice with the player. he’s on a horrendous team, his underlying numbers being bad don’t scare me.

His defensive metrics were bad long before that.

i’m most worried about his his injury. if he’s hurt, the devils should steer clear. otherwise I’m jumping at the chance to add a conn smythe winner to jack’s line.

He wouldn't play PP1 here, he's awful defensively, and can't finish anymore. The hardest of passes on a guy like this.

 

[Mgd31]

Lol classic one game Holtz. Just trade him if we are going to keep pulling this crap

 

[JimEIV]

It's hilarious. I just had an intro conversation with someone from NJ on a dating after the Seattle game which went something like that. Her profile said she was a teacher, so she is either lying, a raging alcoholic, or originally from Sweden.

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It never ceases to amaze me how little about hockey the general public knows.

I would've just had fun with that conversation.

 

[Zippy316]

The Devils plan with Holtz is just baffling.

I should preface by saying I don’t think he deserves to be in this lineup right now. Boqvist has brought more to the table then him although Holtz upside is obviously much higher. Definitely not in the “just place him with good players” camp even though he hasn’t done much in his limited minutes either.

But what exactly is the point of keeping him on the NHL team if he’s hardly playing? It’s tough to find a spot for him on this team admittedly as he doesn’t really fit in the bottom six, but then just let him play in Utica.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

There’s probably some team that could hide Kane’s deficiencies next year if he gets the hip figured out and he starts trying. Kind of like what Carolina did with Tony D. But he’s pretty close to the exact opposite type of player we need.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

formulating an entire argument for not acquiring a first ballot hall of famer at a position of need because of “underlying metrics” is so beyond eye-roll worthy.

advanced stats are useful. but they’re not perfect, and they’re so obviously skewed based on the skill level of the other players on the ice with the player. he’s on a horrendous team, his underlying numbers being bad don’t scare me.

i’m most worried about his his injury. if he’s hurt, the devils should steer clear. otherwise I’m jumping at the chance to add a conn smythe winner to jack’s line.

Wayne Gretzky is a Hall of FAmer too, should we acquire him?

Look, he just isnt good anymore. Looking at his counting stats and saying "LOOK HE HAS 35 POINTS ON A BAD TEAM!" is a terrible, neanderthal argument. The rest of his teammates also play with bad players and they all have better underlying numbers than he does for the most part.

He won the Conn Smythe 10 years ago. ,I have no idea what that has to do with anything in 2023.