Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part IV

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Billdo

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little bit of a hypothetical here... what if we just ride with Allen and Kahkonen next year while using the assets and money we'd spend on a Markstrom or Ullmark for a legit defenseman and some actual bottom 6 players not named Willman, MacDermid, etc. I know these are largely throw away games or whatever Jim called them but it's something to ponder.
 

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little bit of a hypothetical here... what if we just ride with Allen and Kahkonen next year while using the assets and money we'd spend on a Markstrom or Ullmark for a legit defenseman and some actual bottom 6 players not named Willman, MacDermid, etc. I know these are largely throw away games or whatever Jim called them but it's something to ponder.

Perhaps its time for Fitz to think about a Allen/Kahkonen tandem next season eh



Good fresh idea. Where did you get it from?
 

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little bit of a hypothetical here... what if we just ride with Allen and Kahkonen next year while using the assets and money we'd spend on a Markstrom or Ullmark for a legit defenseman and some actual bottom 6 players not named Willman, MacDermid, etc. I know these are largely throw away games or whatever Jim called them but it's something to ponder.

they should do all those things. Not one or the other.
 
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they need to trade for a goalie, get another DMan, and bolster the bottom 6. They need to do all those things.
Gotcha, yeah I mean I tend to agree but if they chose to spend the assets on the last two, but rolling with Allen and Kahkonen was my hypothetical that's obviously heavily based on recency bias. Financially I think it'll be easier to fill in bottom 6 and add another damn than it would be to add all three.

I need more people in my "Dont waste assets for 30-32-34 yo goalies" church.
I've never been all in on the Markstrom/Ullmark idea. Saros, sure, but the other two aren't doing it for me.
 

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I know we talk about our season ending in multiple ways but this team's stretch from the beginning of March to St Patty's Day was disgusting. 2 wins in, what about 10 games, when the entire conference at the bubble was stumbling over its feet. Some of that is on the players not waking up and thinking the season was cooked, there was games there you could tell they just stopped caring.



Wouldn't put it past Rempe for signing that but I can't see him saying that comment FWIW, he knows he isn't a fighter and MacDermid is one of the best ones. He'd be a dead man walking going into that fight especially what happened last game against them. Also that fan is an utter asshole for getting that signed.

I don't know who's more of an asshole :

Rempe or the Rags fan who went out of his way to have Rempe sign this?

Definitely the Rags fan, I'm sure Stevens would sign pics of his crushing hits that would be deemed pretty bad by today's standards. Players just sign whatever fans bring to those too.
 
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Considering Bastain hasn't played a game since because of a brain injury, it's even worse. What an asshole.
Didn’t they label the injury a lower body injury for Bastian? It occurred on the Trouba hit after Bastian came back.


I don’t think the team would lie about a player not having a concussion
 

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Didn’t they label the injury a lower body injury for Bastian? It occurred on the Trouba hit after Bastian came back.


I don’t think the team would lie about a player not having a concussion

Would also look really bad if they let him back in with a concussion also, not saying they did but just being a devils advocate. The Trouba hit, FWIW, as much as he's a f***ing scumbag didn't seem that bad when it first happened.
 

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Allen and Kähkönen have both looked great so far, very servicable for next season. One off night for both but great in the rest.

Gambling with them as the tandem for next season to me is more or less same as going with Vanecek and Schmid this season. Odds of them falling apart might even be higher. However considering how young our team is that probably would be the best move, but after the backlash Fitz got for this season I just can't see him going into next season without a proven elite starter.

So I think unfortunately one (or some of) 1OA, Holtz, Mercer, Casey is/are gone in the summer.
 
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So...

Perhaps its time for Fitz to think about a Allen/Kahkonen tandem next season eh @Bleedred

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assuming they both keep up their play to end the season i really do think that is what fitz is going to do. its a tough spot for him too because the goal decision is going to determine his job. still just dont even understand why not trade for kahkonen earlier in the year? i get he tried with allen still dont understand that but then to wait for weeks to go for kahkonen just absolutely stupid.


allen definitely is staying for the year but letting kahkonen walk and have him produce elsewhere? ouch! or does he revert back to his san jose stats?
 

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assuming they both keep up their play to end the season i really do think that is what fitz is going to do. its a tough spot for him too because the goal decision is going to determine his job. still just dont even understand why not trade for kahkonen earlier in the year? i get he tried with allen still dont understand that but then to wait for weeks to go for kahkonen just absolutely stupid.


allen definitely is staying for the year but letting kahkonen walk and have him produce elsewhere? ouch! or does he revert back to his san jose stats?
So predictable that this fanbase would see Kahkonen play literally two decent games and suddenly act like goaltending is no longer an issue and we can rely on him moving forward.

This is like Bobby Farnham going on his 10 game hot streak and acting like he could fill a top 6 forward role.
 

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Edmonton lost to Ottawa. Winnepeg lost three straight. Perhaps we were not as good as we though after beating Winnepeg but also not as bad as we though after losing to Ottawa? (I'm half kidding here, we should have still had a much better effort against Ottawa).

Leafs are 5-5 in their last 10. They are beatable.

So predictable that this fanbase would see Kahkonen play literally two decent games and suddenly act like goaltending is no longer an issue and we can rely on him moving forward.

This is like Bobby Farnham going on his 10 game hot streak and acting like he could fill a top 6 forward role.

What about Joe Blandisi, Eric Gelinas and Steve Santini?!
 
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Just putting it out there that Kaapo Kahkonen saved 24.6 goals below expected last year, 13.1 goals below expected with Minnesota in 2020-21, and 2.6 goals below expected with Minnesota in 2019-20.

He's had a .934 sv% to date with the Devils which is astromically higher than anything he's done in his career. It's going to come down.

What he's doing is nice, but you cannot rely on him after this season.
 

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Any post game news on Nico's state, found anywhere?

Good to go... Injured...?

I saw he had played a few shifts but then didn't play most of the 3rd after that.
 

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I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned, but didn’t Butcher set the Devils rookie defenseman scoring record with 44 points? Luke is on pace for exactly that.
 

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So predictable that this fanbase would see Kahkonen play literally two decent games and suddenly act like goaltending is no longer an issue and we can rely on him moving forward.

This is like Bobby Farnham going on his 10 game hot streak and acting like he could fill a top 6 forward role.

thats very true too. maybe thats why fitz was so hell bent on getting "his" guy markstrom. optics would look terrible if kahkonen plays well to end the season leaves continues to play well with new team meanwhile fitz goes gets markstrom who gets hurt or stinks along with allen reverting back to himself too. on the heels of brunette leaving/success that going to look brutal lol .
 

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Fitz speaks...hopefully it's OK to post this article, given the amount of quotes directly from Fitzgerald that fans should be able to see and the fact that The Athletic rarely has Devils content...


MANALAPAN, Fla. — Tom Fitzgerald sat back in his chair and pondered the question, facial expressions preceding the words that came out.

Words about a New Jersey Devils season that began with such high expectations. And about a young team learning to deal with those expectations and adversity. And about why it’s sometimes difficult for teams to take that next step.

“It’s hard. It’s not a place where we thought we would be,” the Devils president of hockey operations and general manager said candidly as he began a chat with The Athletic last week at the GMs meetings. “We knew we would take a step back in certain areas, but with the belief that the lack of experience on the back end would pay forward with the experience these young kids are getting this year.

“We live with their mistakes. We think they’re going to be great young defensemen in this league sooner rather than later. But the reality is they’re young.”

The comment was about a young blue-line group, in general, but obviously, a pair of 20-year-old future stars are playing huge minutes for the Devils: Luke Hughes is leading the team with more than 21 minutes per night, and Simon Nemec is not that far behind at just over 20 minutes a game.

In no way does Fitzgerald see it as a bad thing. Both Hughes and Nemec will be better for it. But in the here and now, there are times when relying on two rookies — even uber-talented ones — hasn’t made for a smooth ride.

“We expected to take a step back, but with the anticipation that we would take two steps forward, and really taking this experience and paying it forward with more experience,” Fitzgerald said. “They’re going to get better. And the sky’s the limit with the two young defensemen in particular. We think the world of them.”

What’s interesting is that this is where the Devils GM took the conversation on his own after being asked generally about a tough season for his team. Most would have expected him to mention the team’s goaltending struggles first. But perhaps that’s a tired subject. Others might have also mentioned the team’s injuries, losing No. 1 blueliner Dougie Hamilton 20 games into the season was something the team never recovered from.

But Fitzgerald doesn’t want to use injuries as a key excuse, although obviously they played a role to some degree.

“It throws your rhythm off — continuity,” he said. “Last year, we didn’t have any (injuries), or hardly any. It’s real. Injuries are real. But it’s absolutely not the reason why we’re in this place scratching and clawing trying to get into the playoffs.

“I just think there’s a lot of areas we needed to be better.”

As the Devils GM noted, his team is still fighting and hasn’t given up on the playoff race. But as far as those areas where they needed to get better?

“Every team identifies those areas, whether it’s your play away from the puck, checking, defending, the front of the net, not giving up as many high-end, quality chances,” he said. “We’ll get our chances, but what are we giving up?

“I believe it’s only going to make us stronger with an understanding of, ‘Wow, this is what we need to do. This is how committed we need to be. We want to be those teams that we play that are extremely tough to play against.”’

Think about the metamorphosis that the Florida Panthers went through, going from a high-flying, offensive machine two years ago to a more balanced, playoff-style, responsible two-way team today. I think that’s what Fitzgerald hopes to see from his Devils team as they continue their evolution. They’ve got the talent. But can they learn how to win the proper way?

Getting more saves would help. And newly acquired Jake Allen got off to a good start on that front after coming over from Montreal on March 8.

It does make you wonder where New Jersey might be in the standings had a goalie upgrade arrived earlier, but it certainly wasn’t for a lack of trying. There’s a reason there are so few midseason goalie trades around the league.

“Well, we’ve been in the goalie market the majority of this year, for certain goalies that we felt were on the market,” said Fitzgerald, whose pursuit of Calgary No. 1 Jacob Markstrom was well-publicized. “You know, going into the season — and you look at what possibly was available last summer — teams weren’t trading me their goalies, either.”

The Devils and Jets did have a conversation or two over Connor Hellebuyck last summer, but obviously that never got to where it needed to go. The Jets ultimately wanted to keep him anyway if at all possible. And the other thing to remember about last summer is that Vitek Vanecek was coming off a season as the Devils’ No. 1 where his 33 wins were tied for seventh in the NHL with Juuse Saros — one win behind Andrei Vasilevskiy, one ahead of Ilya Sorokin.

No one’s confusing Vanecek with any of those guys, of course. He was a 1B having a decent year. But it’s just a reminder that the Devils didn’t feel nearly as desperate last summer as they would eventually get this season once Vanecek’s play deteriorated and eventually the goalie got hurt.

All of which put 23-year-old goalies Akira Schmid and Nico Daws in a tough spot, and neither was able to grab the job and run with it.

“We love what we saw in Schmid,” Fitzgerald said of the goalie who came in and had a .921 save percentage in nine playoff games last season for the Devils. “Maybe we got a little ahead of ourselves with a young goalie.”

The Devils had kept tabs with Montreal on Allen, while at the same time fishing for a bigger target in Markstrom and kicking the tires on Saros in Nashville among others.

Allen had to waive his modified no-trade to go to New Jersey, and part of making him feel comfortable doing that was Fitzgerald communicating that he envisions Allen being part of a veteran 1-2 punch next season if New Jersey can go out and get it done for a bigger name in goal.

Easier said than done, of course, going out this summer and finally getting Markstrom or Saros or someone of that top-10 stature.

“There’s zero guarantees, and it’s nice to have a plan and check a box, (but) goalies have to be available to actually have a market,” Fitzgerald said. “If they are, certain teams know that we will be in the market for those certain types of goalies. And Jake Allen understands what we are trying to do, although again there’s no guarantees.

“But yeah, that’s how we set things up.”

So can Flames GM Craig Conroy expect to hear again from Fitzgerald this offseason?

“Not just Craig,” Fitzgerald replied with a chuckle.

It was no laughing matter when Fitzgerald made a coaching change on March 4, firing veteran Lindy Ruff and replacing him on an interim basis with associate coach Travis Green, the former Canucks bench boss.

That was a tough, tough moment for Fitzgerald, given the work Ruff had done helping develop the team’s young core.

“I love Lindy Ruff,” Fitzgerald said. “I bought him in for a certain reason. He checked all those boxes. When this team does hit their mark, Lindy’s fingerprints will be all over it for how he handled these players when they were younger. And how he molded them and allowed them to become the offensive players that we drafted.”

But — and there’s obviously a but when someone ends up fired — the Devils have entered a different phase of their growth.

“As we grow, there are things that I want to see change,” Fitzgerald said. “This isn’t on Lindy. This is on me as a manager. I think great players take accountability, as well, and responsibility. I just felt — we want to be a team that can play off the rush like we were last year, but teams defended us differently this year. They didn’t want to get into a track meet with us.

“I wanted to see us become that type of team: be more mature with the puck, getting pucks in deep, clock management — just certain things. We kept shooting ourselves in the foot. I just wanted to see some habits that could change.”

The timing of the coaching change, so late in the regular season, is reflective of the fact that Fitzgerald still believed the season could be salvaged.

“Oh yeah. We did,” he said. “Travis is different than Lindy. There’s not one coach that’s the same. I’ve seen some things that I’ve liked.

“As many missing pieces as we may have out of the lineup, playing to a different identity is possible. And it’s a must, to be quite honest.”

Again, Fitzgerald hasn’t given up on this season, but regardless of how it finishes, he’s got an idea (outside of goaltending) where he’s going to look to tinker with his lineup.

“We’ve got a lot of skill,” he said. “We really do. I’d like to get a little harder.”

The team lost Miles Wood to free agency last summer and then lost Michael McLeod, who was charged with sexual assault in London, Ontario. Hockey-wise, the team hasn’t been able to replace what those guys brought on the ice.

So that will be an offseason focus.

“Get harder on the wing,” Fitzgerald said. “We’ve got enough talent for offense, but the game is still physical. You got to take hits to make plays. I want a team that is committed to playing through guys, not just circling off guys.

“And (players) who will allow our guys some time and space, because when guys in our league have time and space, they can make great plays. … Those are characteristics in certain players that I will be looking for.”

So an important offseason is coming again for a team that still has a bright future. But also a team that needs to pick itself off the mat if this season does likely end up with it out of the playoff mix.

It hasn’t been easy for Fitzgerald to digest, but he’s trying to keep it in perspective.

“I’m a passionate person,” said Fitzgerald, who signed a multiyear contract extension in January and got promoted to president of hockey operations with it. “I’ve got my convictions, and I’m as highly a competitor as the next guy. It’s not easy. It’s not easy. It’s my job to build this team around the pillars that we have. … And help them not piss away good years of their career by not being a playoff team. That’s my job.

“But the reality is — and I say this all the time — there are times where work is a little rough. Life is great. My life is great. Sometimes work is a little rough. But you manage that. I’ve got great support in my family, great support from ownership and our CEO Tad Brown.

“But at the end of the day, it’s my job to put the best team on the ice with an identity that I want our team and our fans to be proud of.”
 

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Fitz already said he'd continue hunting in the goalie market in the offseason at his post-trade deadline presser. I don't see him deviating from that based on Kahkonen's play.

I don't think he stands pat whatsoever after what has happened this season. He knows he needs to bring in as close to a proven commodity as possible. The problem with that is that goaltending is so wacky these days that even a proven commodity can come in and lay an egg one season after putting together a strong campaign the prior year.
 
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