Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part III

[FooteBahl]

i will wave goodbye profusely when the team waives andreas the waste

Andreas JoGONEsson. Amirite?

 

[Unknown Caller]

But who’s going to “be big time for us”?!?!? I have to know!!! Articles with clickbait titles make me scroll by as fast as fast can be.

Palat.

 

[OmNomNom]

So whats the deal with Bratt

If its come February and no keaningful conversations have been had and you get good offers for him; are we shopping him at that point?

Or are we forcing it to the offseason to try and negotiate a third time and , if no, trade him then? Idk how that affects his value but I imagine it cant be good

If we're out of playoff picture then we gotta trade him

 

[glenwo2]

If we're out of playoff picture then we gotta trade him

We don't gotta do anything.

It's Fitz who has to make that decision and I think he'll try and re-sign Bratt instead of just trading away for the sake of trading him.

 

[NJDevs26]

We don't gotta do anything.

It's Fitz who has to make that decision and I think he'll try and re-sign Bratt instead of just trading away for the sake of trading him.

I do think by the deadline they should know whether Bratt has any intention of signing long term before FA or not since they can reopen negotiations in January, unless he pulls a ‘I’m not talking contract during the season’ stall

 

[My3Sons]

I do think by the deadline they should know whether Bratt has any intention of signing long term before FA or not since they can reopen negotiations in January, unless he pulls a ‘I’m not talking contract during the season’ stall

It still boils down to what number NJ throws at Bratt as I see it. They have to accept he isn’t taking anything less than the UFA nunber the agent has in mind as a starting point. But if NJ says we will go seven or eight for eight million as an opening offer and Bratt says no and doesn’t counter then what more do you need to know?

 

[MauDevils]

About that point in the off-season where my sadness from last year is gone and I'm just excited for the new season to start

This is the year folks!

Ahhh nothing like that first 15 game feeling.

Then it's back to looking at draft rankings.

 

[Billdo]

It still boils down to what number NJ throws at Bratt as I see it. They have to accept he isn’t taking anything less than the UFA nunber the agent has in mind as a starting point. But if NJ says we will go seven or eight for eight million as an opening offer and Bratt says no and doesn’t counter then what more do you need to know?

If that's the case they need to move on.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

We don't gotta do anything.

It's Fitz who has to make that decision and I think he'll try and re-sign Bratt instead of just trading away for the sake of trading him.

It wouldnt be trading him away just for the sake of it, it would be moving him for his maximum value.

If we are risking losing Bratt in a trade then Fitzgerald needs to not lolligag while Bratt's agent forces yet another negotiation to August. Its either deadline or youre probably signing him to 4+ years

Trading him in the summer when other teams know hes a hard negotiation and thats why were moving him will return far less. Look at what Debrincat got and then imagine what it would have been before the deadline during the season

 

[Emperoreddy]

Any Bratt trade we are almost certainly going to lose. They are far better off trying to get some winning done this season and back the brinks truck up next offseason.

 

[Triumph]

It wouldnt be trading him away just for the sake of it, it would be moving him for his maximum value.

If we are risking losing Bratt in a trade then Fitzgerald needs to not lolligag while Bratt's agent forces yet another negotiation to August. Its either deadline or youre probably signing him to 4+ years

Trading him in the summer when other teams know hes a hard negotiation and thats why were moving him will return far less. Look at what Debrincat got and then imagine what it would have been before the deadline during the season

Bratt is not at his maximum value in February, so that is not correct. His maximum value is before the draft in the summer. Kevin Fiala was a supposedly hard negotiator with Minnesota and then somehow he signed a 7 year deal the instant he went to LA, funny how that works. If Bratt has a location in mind, he also has a number, and all of that is gone.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

Realistically is Bratt is moved , what are trying to get in the deal ? I wonder what young NHL regulars would be on the table as part of the deal. I don't want a teams mid to late 1st round oickas a starting point. Really trading Bratt would just be a mess , let's hope he is willing to sign longterm as the season goes on. Getting a lesser talent in return with draft picks is a real kick in the balls to what we have been building the last 7 years...

 

[Emperoreddy]

There still isn't any reason to believe he wants to play somewhere. Just that he has a number and it's been too high for Fitz.

They will have the cap space next offseason. They need to just pay him

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Bratt is not at his maximum value in February, so that is not correct. His maximum value is before the draft in the summer. Kevin Fiala was a supposedly hard negotiator with Minnesota and then somehow he signed a 7 year deal the instant he went to LA, funny how that works. If Bratt has a location in mind, he also has a number, and all of that is gone.

That just isnt right. No team is paying more for a player they have less time to negotiate with. Thats simple business

 

[Triumph]

That just isnt right. No team is paying more for a player they have less time to negotiate with. Thats simple business

You don't know what you're talking about. It isn't about time to negotiate, it's about the fact that the season is over and just about everyone has cap room - the market opens up to just about every team, whereas in the playoff race, it's going to be just a few teams. Now normally that isn't a big deal, but buying Bratt as a 'rental' is bad because you have no idea what you're going to pay him the next year. That's not an issue after the season, if the Devils are going to trade him then, they're going to let the agent talk to other teams, and the contract would be signed immediately after trade (or maybe before)

 

[Guttersniped]

Bratt is not at his maximum value in February, so that is not correct. His maximum value is before the draft in the summer. Kevin Fiala was a supposedly hard negotiator with Minnesota and then somehow he signed a 7 year deal the instant he went to LA, funny how that works. If Bratt has a location in mind, he also has a number, and all of that is gone.

Fiala reported original ask with Minnesota was 8m and he got a 7 year/7.875m deal from the Kings.

The Wild reportedly never offered him a longterm deal at any point and nor would they go over 6m. (I forget what the team’s rumored offers were in 2021 off-season but they certainly weren’t generous.)

The only nice part of this story, for us, is 8m was Fiala’s ask from 2021 off-season and it took a season where he scored 85 points (w/ 33 goals) in 82 games for him to almost get that. (Maybe he gets more if he was open to being traded anywhere, I don’t know.)

 

[My3Sons]

There still isn't any reason to believe he wants to play somewhere. Just that he has a number and it's been too high for Fitz.

They will have the cap space next offseason. They need to just pay him

They have the cap space now. The contract doesn’t start until next season. Do they really need Bratt to have another bug season to pay him? Have they not scouted their own player for his entire career? But now they will be convinced? Something is off but it’s unclear if it’s the team or Bratt or his agent.

 

[Guttersniped]

They have the cap space now. The contract doesn’t start until next season. Do they really need Bratt to have another bug season to pay him? Have they not scouted their own player for his entire career? But now they will be convinced? Something is off but it’s unclear if it’s the team or Bratt or his agent.

They can’t extend Bratt until Jan 1.

They need to take some sort of break from negotiating, they just failed to get a long term deal done in July. Yes, that was bad and was an example of them not agreeing on what Bratt should be paid longterm. Hopefully that changes when months from now this can addressed again.

I don’t see what the point of speculating about this August is. (I mean, if you enjoy it, I won’t stop you, have at it, but I don’t see how we will get anywhere.)

 

[My3Sons]

They can’t extend Bratt until Jan 1.

They need to take some sort of break from negotiating, they just failed to get a long term deal done in July. Yes, that was bad and was an example of them not agreeing on what Bratt should be paid longterm. Hopefully that changes when months from now this can addressed again.

I don’t see what the point of speculating about this August is. (I mean, if you enjoy it, I won’t stop you, have at it, but I don’t see how we will get anywhere.)

Then negotiate in January. I guess I’m just surprised if the team is still trying to figure it out. If they don’t see Bratt as a true first line guy that should be paid as such then move on from him. He isn’t signing for $6.5 mil. It’s just not complicated at this point. If z Bratt isn’t signing for anything less than a gross overplay he needs to just be candid and let MJ know. They have had the time to discuss this and Im struggling to see what either side needs To figure out this season

 

[NjDevsRR]

Then negotiate in January. I guess I’m just surprised if the team is still trying to figure it out. If they don’t see Bratt as a true first line guy that should be paid as such then move on from him. He isn’t signing for $6.5 mil. It’s just not complicated at this point. If z Bratt isn’t signing for anything less than a gross overplay he needs to just be candid and let MJ know. They have had the time to discuss this and Im struggling to see what either side needs To figure out this season

HARK

 

[Devs3cups]

 

[njdevils1982]

HARK

...the peter harold angel sings?

 

[NjDevsRR]

...the peter harold angel sings?

 

[My3Sons]

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So we are going there again?

 

[Guttersniped]

So we are going there again?