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Sevs is one of the weirder players I can remember watching. I don't think he "messes up" more than the average player, but his screw ups are always so catastrophic that people tend to only remember those

Hes probably an okay #2/great #3 DMan on most teams in the league
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agree. I think his failures get more exposed due to the lack success the team has had. If he makes some of his mistakes on a team that bails him out or wins it gets lost in the shuffle. However, with this team it's focused on all the time cause there's far fewer positives to draw from. When you make mistakes and the team is bottom 5 year in and year out it's tough to hide.
 
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For me a lot of Severson's mistakes seem to involve lack of concentration, and more concerningly and infuratingly, lack of effort on defense, especially in front of and around the net.

Stuff that seems easily fixable with some work.

Still think the balance of his play is positive albeit not by a great deal.
 
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Thanks, a summary of any good nuggets from him?
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He's confused as to why Zetterlund hasn't signed his qualifying offer.
He thinks the Devils offseason is done with regards to signings, HOWEVER- he's intrigued by Nemec's camp because it could force a trade of a defenseman. He didn't want to say but I think that obviously means Severson.

He chatted with TG a bit after getting this job. He's had a great time interacting with the fans so far and is loving the memes and jokes on Twitter.

He's also intrigued by possibly trading for Miller from Vancouver.

He's excited to see the Devils play in Arizona in that high school stadium as well as visiting some Canadian cities. I had to tell him how awful Winnipeg is to help his expectation being a little more realistic.

DeLorenzo's pizza in Robbinsville is his favorite place to eat.
 
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Completely agree. If anyone deserves to finally see this team turn it around, it's him. And I think he really gets underrated around here because it's so easy too associate him with a decade of failure.

But really, sit back and imagine looking at Severson through the indirect lens you look at other players around the league. He plays a ton of minutes, both special teams, 40+ points every year, 6'2" 205 pounds, not afraid to be physical but still a good two-way puck mover. There's no doubt in my mind he's a top-30 defenseman in the league. Like it or not, he's a fringe #1. Probably not the guy you want anchoring your contending team, but he's gonna get paaaaaaid next year. And it's almost certainly not gonna be by the Devils.
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I like Sev’s but when he was our #1 dman acquiring a true #1 dman was a top priority.

I also think he is meh on special teams. A 2nd teamer on each in an ideal world.

I do think he is a good mid pairing 2 way dman at 5v5 though.
 
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This is all a crock. You'll hate whoever comes in here next and it won't matter who it is, whether it's Nemec or Hughes or whoever, you'll write the same BS about him. As long as you see hockey in terms of 'the big mistake', you will never like anybody who doesn't just play like Siegenthaler. And you need guys that play like Siegenthaler, but he's not better than Severson because he makes fewer big mistakes, because he can't do anything on offense.

Severson will probably be playing elsewhere next year, which is fine, if he wants a big long-term deal he won't get it here and I can imagine a lot of teams in Canada being interested. He's not a 'dedicated offensive defenseman' as if such a thing ever existed - if it did, it went away by the year 2000.
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Butcher was a dedicated offensive dman fo us. Ghost seems like he fits that role as well. Deangelo maybe? There are certainly guys like that still in the game.
 
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njdevil26 said:
He's confused as to why Zetterlund hasn't signed his qualifying offer.
He thinks the Devils offseason is done with regards to signings, HOWEVER- he's intrigued by Nemec's camp because it could force a trade of a defenseman. He didn't want to say but I think that obviously means Severson.

He chatted with TG a bit after getting this job. He's had a great time interacting with the fans so far and is loving the memes and jokes on Twitter.

He's also intrigued by possibly trading for Miller from Vancouver.

He's excited to see the Devils play in Arizona in that high school stadium as well as visiting some Canadian cities. I had to tell him how awful Winnipeg is to help his expectation being a little more realistic.

DeLorenzo's pizza in Robbinsville is his favorite place to eat.
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I'd love to see a deal with Vancouver to get Miller .. Severson could definitely be a piece of that puzzle.
 
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I'd love to see a deal with Vancouver to get Miller .. Severson could definitely be a piece of that puzzle.
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Here's my issue... I would do a Severson for Miller trade... but if we're waiting til camp to see if Nemec is going to make the roster you would then be taking a 100pt player from Vancouver while giving them no time to replace the production. I don't think it can happen then.
 
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Butcher was a dedicated offensive dman fo us. Ghost seems like he fits that role as well. Deangelo maybe? There are certainly guys like that still in the game.
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No he wasn't. Butcher had one season as PP1/3rd pairing D, he played 3 more years here, where he got more ice time. Gostisbehere was literally never that either. DeAngelo is the closest thing and even he gets 19 minutes of game time. So that's a fabrication, but it's not even what billingtons ghost is talking about, he's talking about Norm MacIver and Phil Housley and Sandis Ozolinsh, guys who still played a ton of minutes but who did not 'play defense'.
 
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Triumph said:
No he wasn't. Butcher had one season as PP1/3rd pairing D, he played 3 more years here, where he got more ice time. Gostisbehere was literally never that either. DeAngelo is the closest thing and even he gets 19 minutes of game time. So that's a fabrication, but it's not even what billingtons ghost is talking about, he's talking about Norm MacIver and Phil Housley and Sandis Ozolinsh, guys who still played a ton of minutes but who did not 'play defense'.
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Im not sure that TOI has to do with it. There are definitely defenseman I consider offensive specialists in the league, and having them play fewer minutes doesn't affect the fact they're used in scoring situations and are defensive liabilities.
 
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Im not sure that TOI has to do with it. There are definitely defenseman I consider offensive specialists in the league, and having them play fewer minutes doesn't affect the fact they're used in scoring situations and are defensive liabilities.
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And I just don't agree that players like that exist anymore. Yeah, there are guys who score a lot of points who don't get put out at the end of games to protect a lead, but power play specialists are gone, there's just too much 5v5 play to justify them anymore. The idea of someone like Andy Delmore having 25 PPG and 9 ES goals in 2 seasons, that's over and done with.
 
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And I just don't agree that players like that exist anymore. Yeah, there are guys who score a lot of points who don't get put out at the end of games to protect a lead, but power play specialists are gone, there's just too much 5v5 play to justify them anymore. The idea of someone like Andy Delmore having 25 PPG and 9 ES goals in 2 seasons, that's over and done with.
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I suppose it's how one defines an offensive specialist.
 

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I suppose it's how one defines an offensive specialist.
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I don't think it is. It has just become a much more difficult league to play in, because the tomato cans are gone. There's fewer shifts where it's just 10 guys skating around out there. Weak spots get exposed much easier. So yes, there are still defensemen for whom we can consider their 'offense' a strength and their defense 'a weakness', but there's no one getting cratered who is still somehow an offensive specialist, it just doesn't work that way.
 
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Here's my issue... I would do a Severson for Miller trade... but if we're waiting til camp to see if Nemec is going to make the roster you would then be taking a 100pt player from Vancouver while giving them no time to replace the production. I don't think it can happen then.
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I think it would be more than just Severson going to Van .. probably Sharangovich/Severson/draft pick type deal.
 
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