Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part III

[PKs Broken Stick]

I think a large portion of this fan base is going to really miss Severson when he's gone.

I won't, at all.

 

[Offseason Champs]

There is context to that stat. It means the other team scores more goals than we do when he is out on the ice for the most part...If you want to use the dreadful goaltending from this year than he should get a pass because it can skew his numbers. Do I have to post the clip of him getting embarrassed by the Leafs from this last season ? I like Severson but not enough to pay him what he is going to ask for , especially since our cap situation is like what it was the last few years...

My brother in Christ, please don't try to justify +/- in determining a player's worth in the year of our lord 2022

 

[SJinNewJersey]

So in summary: the division is wide open?

 

[MadDevil]

There is context to that stat. It means the other team scores more goals than we do when he is out on the ice for the most part...If you want to use the dreadful goaltending from this year than he should get a pass because it can skew his numbers. Do I have to post the clip of him getting embarrassed by the Leafs from this last season ? I like Severson but not enough to pay him what he is going to ask for , especially since our cap situation is like what it was the last few years...

Some people fixate on his mistakes, and he does make them, and conclude that he's bad defensively overall, which I dont think is true. Is he great defensively? No, but he's adequate given the things he does well. Should I post the top 5 Bratt plays video where Severson hits him with a pass that creates a breakaway like twice? To me he's the exact kind of player that some people shit on when he's with the team and then when he's not appreciate more what he actually did.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

My brother in Christ, please don't try to justify +/- in determining a player's worth in the year of our lord 2022

Don't worry the eye test is an even more undisputable way to show how he struggles at certain parts of the game...

 

[My3Sons]

I'd be floored if that's all he got. Severson will get double that term if I had to bet.

Sure but wouldn’t you have said the same about Klingberg?

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

The market has changed quite a lot I think. There's teams openly tanking and looking to get paid to take on bad deals to reach the floor, and the top teams are focused on their RFAs primarily. I wouldn't be surprised given Severson is 99.9% sure to not re-sign in Jersey (like Klingberg was) if his market is suprisingly light. He could be looking at 4 year max term deals.

Edit: Also a lot depends on how Severson plays this year and if he gets traded. If Severson gets traded at the deadline and fits in really well that could really determine his next contract.

 

[RSeen]

Sure but wouldn’t you have said the same about Klingberg?

Severson is better than Klingberg and he clearly misjudged the market.

 

[billingtons ghost]

I think everyone here knows how good Sevs can be with the puck on his stick. I think everyone here understands that on a team who's entire backline has been an agent of chaos for the past five years or so, the guy has been one of the very few you could count on to do something good 90% of the time and in the majority of the games he played.

Many of us here also understand that he has played a role and excessive minutes that he shouldn't have been forced to play. And as a result he has developed some bad habits that end up as brainfarts costing us games on a basis which, if not consistent, is at least so numerous that seemingly dozens of postgame threads are dedicated to shooting him to space.

Nice guy, nice player, but not for 6m plus considering I have never ever thought he's broken up an oddman rush correctly or consistently been in the right position, or successfully failed to whiff on any big hit he's ever thrown to break up a play. Or tied up an opponents stick. Or manhandled an opponent out of the crease.

He will be just swell as a dedicated offensive defenseman on another team being paid a premium as a free agent on a absurd contract. Their fanbase will love him until he boneheads away a couple of games and then they'll hate his contract..Or, maybe he gets paired with a guy who can cover up his mistakes and flourishes...bc that's certainly never been a luxury he has had here.

I wish him well, and I REALLY look forward to whatever piece we get back at the deadline.

 

[Billdo]

Sure but wouldn’t you have said the same about Klingberg?

Personally, no. I think Klingberg priced himself incorrectly and Severson is better overall.

 

[Triumph]

I think everyone here knows how good Sevs can be with the puck on his stick. I think everyone here understands that on a team who's entire backline has been an agent of chaos for the past five years or so, the guy has been one of the very few you could count on to do something good 90% of the time and in the majority of the games he played.

Many of us here also understand that he has played a role and excessive minutes that he shouldn't have been forced to play. And as a result he has developed some bad habits that end up as brainfarts costing us games on a basis which, if not consistent, is at least so numerous that seemingly dozens of postgame threads are dedicated to shooting him to space.

Nice guy, nice player, but not for 6m plus considering I have never ever thought he's broken up an oddman rush correctly or consistently been in the right position, or successfully failed to whiff on any big hit he's ever thrown to break up a play. Or tied up an opponents stick. Or manhandled an opponent out of the crease.

He will be just swell as a dedicated offensive defenseman on another team being paid a premium as a free agent on a absurd contract. Their fanbase will love him until he boneheads away a couple of games and then they'll hate his contract..Or, maybe he gets paired with a guy who can cover up his mistakes and flourishes...bc that's certainly never been a luxury he has had here.

I wish him well, and I REALLY look forward to whatever piece we get back at the deadline.

This is all a crock. You'll hate whoever comes in here next and it won't matter who it is, whether it's Nemec or Hughes or whoever, you'll write the same BS about him. As long as you see hockey in terms of 'the big mistake', you will never like anybody who doesn't just play like Siegenthaler. And you need guys that play like Siegenthaler, but he's not better than Severson because he makes fewer big mistakes, because he can't do anything on offense.

Severson will probably be playing elsewhere next year, which is fine, if he wants a big long-term deal he won't get it here and I can imagine a lot of teams in Canada being interested. He's not a 'dedicated offensive defenseman' as if such a thing ever existed - if it did, it went away by the year 2000.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Sevs is one of the weirder players I can remember watching. I don't think he "messes up" more than the average player, but his screw ups are always so catastrophic that people tend to only remember those

Hes probably an okay #2/great #3 DMan on most teams in the league

 

[My3Sons]

Severson is better than Klingberg and he clearly misjudged the market.

Klingberg got a one year deal. Misjudged or not that is pretty dramatic. He’s a legit player but it won’t get any easier for him next season. I’m skeptical Severson gets 7 years at $7 mil per but we will see.

 

[Billdo]

Sevs is one of the weirder players I can remember watching. I don't think he "messes up" more than the average player, but his screw ups are always so catastrophic that people tend to only remember those

Hes probably an okay #2/great #3 DMan on most teams in the league

This is it. This post sums it up. His gaffes are usually egregious but I don't think they're any more frequent than anyone else. When they happen though it's usually the worst case scenario is the outcome. People on this page and other social media venues act as if the guy is AHL caliber. It's bananas.

 

[MadDevil]

Also, I will always give Sevs credit for being a good soldier through some really bad years. While I think he's gotten frustrated at times he's never asked out and I think genuinely wants to be part of the team succeeding. It just kind of sucks that the timing is off and he's probably going to get dealt or leave right as the team is improving (or at least should be).

 

[Triumph]

Klingberg got a one year deal. Misjudged or not that is pretty dramatic. He’s a legit player but it won’t get any easier for him next season. I’m skeptical Severson gets 7 years at $7 mil per but we will see.

Klingberg took a 10 team NTC which to me is a strange thing to do when you're signing a one-year prove it deal. To me that suggests that there are places he simply won't play, and I usually assume for guys who aren't from Canada that that usually means Canada. If Severson has no such restrictions on where he wants to play, I don't see him having any trouble getting a 5+ year deal somewhere.

 

[Bleedred]

I like Severson even more than ever after he started calling out the goalies in the season finale post game show interview he did up in the booth.

 

[My3Sons]

Klingberg took a 10 team NTC which to me is a strange thing to do when you're signing a one-year prove it deal. To me that suggests that there are places he simply won't play, and I usually assume for guys who aren't from Canada that that usually means Canada. If Severson has no such restrictions on where he wants to play, I don't see him having any trouble getting a 5+ year deal somewhere.

Maybe. It might depend upon how he does this year but he’s a non-physical defender who has no playoff experience to speak of. He has said he’d take less to stay in NJ in some interview last year. If the open market offers him 5x$5 mil would he take 4x$4.75 to stay? Would NJ rather keep Marino? I think the landscape is changing a bit at least until the cap goes up. Teams are struggling to clear cap and the truly crazy deals were limited to Gaudreau and Tkachik until we se what Kadri gets. In years past teams were tripping over themselves to offer bad UFA deals. This year there were fewer and Palate’s may be the worst and it’s not terrible since it can be bought out pretty easily in four years or three if they really needed to.

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

Also, I will always give Sevs credit for being a good soldier through some really bad years. While I think he's gotten frustrated at times he's never asked out and I think genuinely wants to be part of the team succeeding. It just kind of sucks that the timing is off and he's probably going to get dealt or leave right as the team is improving (or at least should be).

Completely agree. If anyone deserves to finally see this team turn it around, it's him. And I think he really gets underrated around here because it's so easy too associate him with a decade of failure.

But really, sit back and imagine looking at Severson through the indirect lens you look at other players around the league. He plays a ton of minutes, both special teams, 40+ points every year, 6'2" 205 pounds, not afraid to be physical but still a good two-way puck mover. There's no doubt in my mind he's a top-30 defenseman in the league. Like it or not, he's a fringe #1. Probably not the guy you want anchoring your contending team, but he's gonna get paaaaaaid next year. And it's almost certainly not gonna be by the Devils.

 

[Triumph]

Maybe. It might depend upon how he does this year but he’s a non-physical defender who has no playoff experience to speak of. He has said he’d take less to stay in NJ in some interview last year. If the open market offers him 5x$5 mil would he take 4x$4.75 to stay? Would NJ rather keep Marino? I think the landscape is changing a bit at least until the cap goes up. Teams are struggling to clear cap and the truly crazy deals were limited to Gaudreau and Tkachik until we se what Kadri gets. In years past teams were tripping over themselves to offer bad UFA deals. This year there were fewer and Palate’s may be the worst and it’s not terrible since it can be bought out pretty easily in four years or three if they really needed to.

Severson is not a 'non-physical' defender, he's not Phil Housley out there. He plays on PK1 for the Devils, I don't really think that's a place for a 'non-physical' defender. Nonetheless, Friedman reported that Severson and the Devils were way off on a long-term deal and then the Devils traded for Marino a few days later.

There's money out there for Severson. No, he won't get Justin Faulk's deal. He'll get over 5.5M and 5 years or more, if he wants it. He may not want it.

 

[My3Sons]

Severson is not a 'non-physical' defender, he's not Phil Housley out there. He plays on PK1 for the Devils, I don't really think that's a place for a 'non-physical' defender. Nonetheless, Friedman reported that Severson and the Devils were way off on a long-term deal and then the Devils traded for Marino a few days later.

There's money out there for Severson. No, he won't get Justin Faulk's deal. He'll get over 5.5M and 5 years or more, if he wants it. He may not want it.

Maybe. I just don’t see a physical element. He isn’t shy or soft he’s just run of thr mill to me in that’s regard. YMMV.

Edit - being a penalty killer is not necessarily an indicator of physical play as a defender as I see it. Greene and Lovejoy both killed penalties without hitting hard or often.

 

[RangerDoggo]

This is it. This post sums it up. His gaffes are usually egregious but I don't think they're any more frequent than anyone else. When they happen though it's usually the worst case scenario is the outcome. People on this page and other social media venues act as if the guy is AHL caliber. It's bananas.

I’ll give him credit, he’s made me want to claw my eyes out a lot less over the past couple of seasons.

 

[BostonDevil]

Sevs was fine for 2020 Devils defense but (hopefully) not for 2023 Devils defense

 

[ninetyeight]

Now do it in games with them where the NJ goalie stopped at least 9 out of every 10 shots. I’ll guess the turnaround is pretty dramatic.

 

[Zippy316]

Klingberg got a one year deal. Misjudged or not that is pretty dramatic. He’s a legit player but it won’t get any easier for him next season. I’m skeptical Severson gets 7 years at $7 mil per but we will see.

This was a very tight year cap-wise and Klingberg’s numbers have fallen for a couple years now. He needs a rebound year before a team commits long-term to him.

Given the long-term outlook of the defense, Devils (and Severson) would be smart to explore sign and trade options at the end of the year. Personally, I’m not convinced Severson is on this team at the draft next year. Just makes too much sense to move him mid-season for a forward upgrade, if Hamilton rebounds and at least one defender is NHL-ready.

A Severson for JT Miller mid-season swap makes a lot of sense for both sides.