Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part III

[Guttersniped]

The Johnsson in the AHL option is an intriguing one but might not be quite enough. If he was in the AHL all season it would give us 1.075M in cap relief.

So
1.075M (Johnsson relief)
+0.073 (current space)
+0.160 (relief Bahl/Okhotiuk replacing Nemec)
= 1.308M in cap space (approximate)

And that would be with 21 players on the roster. Without Zetterlund contract and Holtz, Foote, Geersten or Thompson call-up. Would need 2 of those guys on the roster which would take us just over the cap.

Johnsson traded even at 50% retained would do it but we’d be tight.

This whole situation is dependant on Bernier and may not matter if he’s on LTIR for a while and say someone else is on it by the time he comes back.

But if we can get rid of Johnsson we definitely should IMO even if there’s a little cost with it.



The nice thing about all this is that we have a lot of money coming off from these average veterans next off-season.

The cap hit relief from buried contracts went up, it’s 1.125m now.

We can also replace Mercer & Nemec/whoever with 750k two-way AHL players.

*Note: I always warn about how I could be wrong about CBA/business stuff and this LTIR so this gets all the warnings lol.*

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Cap Friendly does a good job of explaining the basics of LTIR, after warning it’s gets even way more complicated and arcane.

I can’t post the whole thing but LTIR’s salary relief involves an “accruable cap space limit” (ACSL), which is basically the team’s new upper cap limit.

It’s calculated this way:

The important part is at the end of Training Camp Equation part:

“The closer the ACSL is to the league upper limit, the greater the team will be able to exceed the upper limit.”

Well guess what, starting slightly over the cap in the last day of camp and then putting a player making 4.125m on the IR on the first day of the season is the exact opposite of that.

Whatever our plan is, it’s not that. We need to get right under the 82.5m with 23 man roster on the last day of training camp or, if Bernier is looking like a very long term resident of LTIR, we could get 4m above it.

If we did the latter then obviously we would have to move cap if/when when Bernier came off the LTIR (assuming no one went on it to offset it).

Capped out or teams near the cap with LTIR players put a lot of work into making sure they get their ACSL to end up around the upper cap limit at the start of the season.

You can actually see the results of all the cap gymnastics in “Archive” Past Caprolls on Cap Friendly. They have a chart where you can see it listed vs cap hit.

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Here’s more from Puckpedia. Again you can see, IF Bernier is going to be out a while, why we are most likely going to try get right under the 82.5m on the last day of camp before he goes on the IR.

To put it another way, no team slightly goes over the cap to start the season and then puts a guy making +4m on the LTIR. It’s just bad cap management.

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To qualify for LTIR, a player must be expected to miss at least 10 NHL Games AND 24 days of the NHL season When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the...

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[New Jersey Devils]

I keep forgetting we are still getting hit on Kovy's recapture.

His absurd mansion in Alpine he never got to live in is still on sale for a cool $15 mil

 

[RSeen]

If we have Holtz on the team and he hits his bonuses, they would go over to the next season, given how tight we are against the cap? If that is the case, we should definitely be getting rid of a Johnsson/Tatar.

We should be preserving the cap space the following year, there is no reason for us to be over this year due to bonuses.

 

[Bleedred]

If we have Holtz on the team and he hits his bonuses, they would go over to the next season, given how tight we are against the cap? If that is the case, we should definitely be getting rid of a Johnsson/Tatar.

We should be preserving the cap space the following year, there is no reason for us to be over this year due to bonuses.

This is why you don't sign guys like Wood or Graves for next season.

And anything less than the best year of Blackwood's career, then we absolutely need to Samsonov him and not Wood him. If we're spending over $7 million on a Blackwood/Vanecek tandem beyond this year then it needs to actually be better than average.

Guys like him and Wood are not good investments for a cap team. Graves isn't either, but I don't really see anybody talking about wanting to bring Graves back.

 

[Devil X]

If we have Holtz on the team and he hits his bonuses, they would go over to the next season, given how tight we are against the cap? If that is the case, we should definitely be getting rid of a Johnsson/Tatar.

We should be preserving the cap space the following year, there is no reason for us to be over this year due to bonuses.

Dont we have a 36 million in cap space next season?

With Graves, Johnsson, Tatar, and possibly Severson all coming off next season isnt a big concern.

 

[Bleedred]

Dont we have a 36 million in cap space next season?

With Graves, Johnsson, Tatar, and possibly Severson all coming off next season isnt a big concern.

Is it really that much? I thought I counted $20-something yesterday?

 

[SKNJD9]

Is it really that much? I thought I counted $20-something yesterday?

 

[13BearerOfHope]

I keep forgetting we are still getting hit on Kovy's recapture.

His absurd mansion in Alpine he never got to live in is still on sale for a cool $15 mil

Link please, I have pocket money to spend and might be interested

 

[Rhodes 81]

We have just $44,394,167 committed in salary next season. But that's for 4 F, 4 D, and 1 G. We'll need to re-sign Bratt and Sharangovich. Bastian, Boqvist, McLeod, Bahl, and possibly Zetterlund if he sign's a 1 year deal this year will all be RFAs. Blackwood will be an RFA. Wood, Haula Johnsson, Tatar, Severson, and Graves will all be UFAs but it's probably a safe bet one or two of them will return (probably not for a raise though).

The good news is that you can most likely bank on Hughes, Nemec, Holtz, and Foote all contributing on ELCs. They should be in fine shape, but if you end up paying a lot for Bratt, Sharangovich, and Blackwood and you end up signing some short-term forward, you could in theory be up against it again. But I'd rather risk pushing a bonus that may not happen to next year than definitely push cap to next year buying out Tatar, if that's your option.

 

[New Jersey Devils]

Link please, I have pocket money to spend and might be interested

The link is embedded in the last sentence

 

[NJDevs26]

We have just $44,394,167 committed in salary next season. But that's for 4 F, 4 D, and 1 G. We'll need to re-sign Bratt and Sharangovich. Bastian, Boqvist, McLeod, Bahl, and possibly Zetterlund if he sign's a 1 year deal this year will all be RFAs. Blackwood will be an RFA. Wood, Haula Johnsson, Tatar, Severson, and Graves will all be UFAs but it's probably a safe bet one or two of them will return (probably not for a raise though).

The good news is that you can most likely bank on Hughes, Nemec, Holtz, and Foote all contributing on ELCs. They should be in fine shape, but if you end up paying a lot for Bratt, Sharangovich, and Blackwood and you end up signing some short-term forward, you could in theory be up against it again. But I'd rather risk pushing a bonus that may not happen to next year than definitely push cap to next year buying out Tatar, if that's your option.

Bratt and Shara are the only RFA’s you can ticket for multi million dollar raises of those guys and I’d say it’s a better bet they only keep one or two of the UFA’s as opposed to only losing one or two.

 

[Eggtimer]

The link is embedded in the last sentence

15 million? Black asphalt looks cheap , should have been stamped concrete on the property. Mansion looks unreal but I’m beimg serious when I say it looks cheaply finished off with asphalt and no landscaping. My guess is that whoever took over the property did so before it was finished and they didn’t want invest much more into it to finish it.

 

[My3Sons]

I wonder if they are going to lose any recruits over this?


Yes but it could be another year somewhere else.

Come to Northearstern my Brothers!!!!

ABH (Anywhere But Harvard)

 

[Setec Astronomy]

We have just $44,394,167 committed in salary next season. But that's for 4 F, 4 D, and 1 G. We'll need to re-sign Bratt and Sharangovich. Bastian, Boqvist, McLeod, Bahl, and possibly Zetterlund if he sign's a 1 year deal this year will all be RFAs. Blackwood will be an RFA. Wood, Haula Johnsson, Tatar, Severson, and Graves will all be UFAs but it's probably a safe bet one or two of them will return (probably not for a raise though).

The good news is that you can most likely bank on Hughes, Nemec, Holtz, and Foote all contributing on ELCs. They should be in fine shape, but if you end up paying a lot for Bratt, Sharangovich, and Blackwood and you end up signing some short-term forward, you could in theory be up against it again. But I'd rather risk pushing a bonus that may not happen to next year than definitely push cap to next year buying out Tatar, if that's your option.

The good news is that if Blackwood and Sharangovich are in line for big raises next year, the Devils likely ended up being a 100+ point team.

 

[glenwo2]

Anyone here know when the Recapture Penalty thing ends?

 

[My3Sons]

Anyone here know when the Recapture Penalty thing ends?

Which one? Kovalchuck? That's on cap friendly. Maybe three more years?

 

[glenwo2]

Which one? Kovalchuck? That's on cap friendly. Maybe three more years?

Yeah.

Kovalsuck.

 

[nugg]

Dubas really screwed us with that 10 team NMC in his last year. It's not as simple as dumping him to Arizona. Perhaps we can trade Tatar a little bit into the season and get one or two of their 500 second rounders in the process.

I'm fine with where we are right now without any moves, but at some point Zett and Holtz need to get on the roster. Let them ease into it and then trade if necessary.

Mango might be willing to waive if he were to be told he'd be sent to Utica otherwise.

 

[Blender]

Anyone here know when the Recapture Penalty thing ends?

After 2024-2025. We also have $2M/season for Schneider until 2023-2024.

 

[Emperoreddy]

The goalie position is going to eat up a chunk of cap even if Blackwood falls apart again, because in that situation we are going to be forced to overpay for a new starter.

Bratt, a starting goalie, and Fitz taking another crack at bringing in a big time winger will eat the bulk of that up.

 

[njdevils1982]

No need to waste an asset to trade him.

The cap relief for burying a player is 1.1 million. If Johnsson doesn’t produce, he’s going to be buried in the minors. If the Devils accrue enough space with Bernier/Wood/anyone being on LTIR, they should be able to have a full roster if they decide to send Johnsson to Utica.

no....send him to Adirondack

 

[njdevils1982]

would rather this guy.... can he play wing? (yes, this johnsson shtick is my thing and im sticking to it)

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

Bratt, a starting goalie, and Fitz taking another crack at bringing in a big time winger will eat the bulk of that up.

If the Devils are looking for a big time winger next year than this season did not go well.

 

[Blackjack]

The goalie position is going to eat up a chunk of cap even if Blackwood falls apart again, because in that situation we are going to be forced to overpay for a new starter.

Bratt, a starting goalie, and Fitz taking another crack at bringing in a big time winger will eat the bulk of that up.

I modeled the 23-24 season with $8 million for Bratt, $5 million for Yegor, and $4 million for Blackwood, we end up with somewhere around $6-7 million to play with. Rather than fork it over to some over the hill winger I hope we hang onto to it and save it for a rental because good grief if we’re not a playoff team by then.

 

[Guadana]

I modeled the 23-24 season with $8 million for Bratt, $5 million for Yegor, and $4 million for Blackwood, we end up with somewhere around $6-7 million to play with. Rather than fork it over to some over the hill winger I hope we hang onto to it and save it for a rental because good grief if we’re not a playoff team by then.

If Yegor will score 25, especially 30, 5 mil could be not enough.