Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part III

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Mr Bojanglez

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Assuming we get rid one of (or both) Johnsson / Tatar. What team do we try to take advantage of? Islanders so they can sign Kadri? Tampa and go for Killorn? Florida?

I don't wish to use a buyout. I'd rather tack on a 3rd or 4th to get rid of one of them.
 

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Assuming we get rid one of (or both) Johnsson / Tatar. What team do we try to take advantage of? Islanders so they can sign Kadri? Tampa and go for Killorn? Florida?

I don't wish to use a buyout. I'd rather tack on a 3rd or 4th to get rid of one of them.
They’re going to LTIR Bernier.
 

Rhodes 81

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We have such a glut of replacement-level forwards and enough potential among the prospects that aren't guaranteed a spot to where we could legitimately see this team sell off Johnsson, Tatar, and Wood if he actually plays and still improve while doing so. I'm legitimately starting to think the best option might be to give the vets plenty of playing time early on in hopes that they look good so we can send them off for picks, then bring up Foote, Holtz, Thompson to replace them.
 

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Assuming we get rid one of (or both) Johnsson / Tatar. What team do we try to take advantage of? Islanders so they can sign Kadri? Tampa and go for Killorn? Florida?

I don't wish to use a buyout. I'd rather tack on a 3rd or 4th to get rid of one of them.

We're no longer in a position to "take advantage" of any team via a cap dump. I guess maybe we'd have some cap space to do so, but we really don't have any open roster spots.
 

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We can exceed the cap by 10% right now, and we can always move out one of Tatar or Johnsson for cheap as they are pretty much replacement level players.
 

FooteBahl

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Johnsson can't be bought out...he doesn't make $4 million AAV


Buy out Tuna then. It will only get us under the cap by about 1.15 mill, but we can then fill out the roster with an ELC​

Cost Calculations​

BUYOUT DATEBASE SALARY REMAININGS.BONUS REMAININGYEARS REMAININGBUYOUT LENGTHAGEBUYOUT RATIOTOTAL COSTTOTAL SAVINGSANNUAL COST
Aug. 15, 2022$3,250,000$2,000,00012312/3$2,166,667$1,083,333$1,083,334
 

FooteBahl

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I'd rather not put more buyout hit on the books next year. We already have Kuokkanen and Schneider's buyouts still there next year. We can save space on what Capfriendly is showing by replacing Nemec with Bahl or Okotiuk who are much more likely to be on the roster.
Do you think we’ll spend all 36 million in space next year?
 

NJDevs26

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Social media. People have been claiming it on here that the team had an internal cap and wouldn't spend money.
Yeah I actually misread that as people were complaining the Devils literally weren’t spending on social media stuff…but my initial post kinda comes off sarcastic so I’ll just leave it lol
 
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I'd rather not put more buyout hit on the books next year. We already have Kuokkanen and Schneider's buyouts still there next year. We can save space on what Capfriendly is showing by replacing Nemec with Bahl or Okotiuk who are much more likely to be on the roster.
Yeah, I don't really see a buyout as necessary. Just ride it out with Tatar, Johnsson, whoever for the rest of this year and be done with them and a bunch of other guys who expire after this year.
 
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Diehard Devil

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At the deadline unless we're solidly in a playoff spot then we'll keep him as Fitz wont want to undercut the kids legit shot at a playoff spot. If we're a bubble team he's gone
Hmm... that seems like a lot of value we would lose out on just for a first round exit

Not sure how I feel about that
 

Hischier and Hughes

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It's great that we're spending, but the roster still needs a lot of work.

And yes I know that it's money we'll use from Bernier, Tatar, Johnsson and Wood...but that doesn't really help us much this year.

It's also funny because those were all deals we were happy with at the time and how they were "short term, low risk and wouldn't hurt us". Really puts into perspective how terrifying contracts like Palat can be.
But they haven't hurt us, have they?

What moves have we been prevented from making because of contracts?
 

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Social media. People have been claiming it on here that the team had an internal cap and wouldn't spend money.
People on social media are idiots. Literally saw an adult lady post in a local FB page a video (that she took) of the lightning from the storm last night and asked “what is this light?”. I had a Dano OH MY face when I read it.

The stuff you read on social media is terrifying, no matter the topic.
 

Rhodes 81

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Do you think we’ll spend all 36 million in space next year?
No, but I'd rather keep our options open.

Signing Bratt for 1 year likely makes the price go up if we can get him extended next season. My high range for him was $8 million on a long term deal this year, but if he repeats or exceeds his performance from last year you're basically starting at $8 for him now.

Sharangovich is another major wildcard. I could see him doing anything from a 20-goal, 40-point season to 35-goal, 65-point season if he rides shotgun with Hughes all year and gets to be the triggerman on PP1 for once. If he puts up that kind of performance, how much does he cost at that point? Do you extend him long term or do a cheaper bridge deal?

If Wood is able to play this year and looks good, is he signing for much less than where he's at right now? Do we keep him? Do we keep Haula? What if Blackwood plays well and we have to give him $6 million a year like every other half-decent goalie gets now?

The reality is most of these things probably won't happen, but if they all did then it means we are A:) probably a really good team that is entering a cup-competitive window, and B:) eating through all that newfound space faster than we might have thought.

And if both of those are true, we probably want to try to sign one other short-term piece like a veteran winger to try to put us over the hump and take advantage of it while Luke and Nemec are on their ELCs. What if a "We'll give you Max Pacioretty for free.99" deal comes up but the catch is we need the space to offer for it.

Probably 92 times out of 100, we will not touch the cap ceiling next year. But those other 8 times, there's no point in buying out a decent player when it's not necessary to have some extra room this year, only to wish we had it next.
 

RangerDoggo

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Dubas really screwed us with that 10 team NMC in his last year. It's not as simple as dumping him to Arizona. Perhaps we can trade Tatar a little bit into the season and get one or two of their 500 second rounders in the process.

I'm fine with where we are right now without any moves, but at some point Zett and Holtz need to get on the roster. Let them ease into it and then trade if necessary.
 

McDuffz88

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Dubas really screwed us with that 10 team NMC in his last year. It's not as simple as dumping him to Arizona. Perhaps we can trade Tatar a little bit into the season and get one or two of their 500 second rounders in the process.

I'm fine with where we are right now without any moves, but at some point Zett and Holtz need to get on the roster. Let them ease into it and then trade if necessary.
Johnsson has low key one of the worst contracts I ever seen. Not only was he overpaid but to have the NMC is insult to injury. Like who on earth gives such a garbage player a NMC? A NMC should only be given to some of the best players in the league not 3rd/4th line scrubs.
 

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To find something to complain about, because there has to be something, I still don't like the Palat deal. I hope Arizona is still a team in 3 years so we can dump him.
 

Poppy Whoa Sonnet

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Dubas really screwed us with that 10 team NMC in his last year. It's not as simple as dumping him to Arizona. Perhaps we can trade Tatar a little bit into the season and get one or two of their 500 second rounders in the process.

I'm fine with where we are right now without any moves, but at some point Zett and Holtz need to get on the roster. Let them ease into it and then trade if necessary.
I think it's pretty safe to assume Johnsson would waive for any team that would give him NHL time. He's currently on track to be in Utica.
 
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Johnsson has low key one of the worst contracts I ever seen. Not only was he overpaid but to have the NMC is insult to injury. Like who on earth gives such a garbage player a NMC? A NMC should only be given to some of the best players in the league not 3rd/4th line scrubs.

He doesn't have a NMC, it's a 10 team NTC. Big, big difference as the Devils can easily just waive Johnsson and send him to the AHL and if he goes unclaimed and gain $1.125M in cap space as a result.
 
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