Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part II

[Devs3cups]

4 years, 6.8 aav is my guess.

I’ll go 4 years, 7.2 AAV.

 

[Unknown Caller]

I’ll go 1 year deal a few hours before arb, $5.3M.

 

[RangerDoggo]

I predict no deal and it's going to arbitration, because I'm realistically reading the room.

 

[Bleedred]

I’ll go 1 year deal a few hours before arb, $5.3M.

I hope it’s more than that.

The Miles Wood thing is annoying me so much. If Bratt gets $5.3 million and Wood gets $3 million that’s such bullshit.

And that’s not even touching other massively overpaid guys because they were already signed for that amount for this year long ago.

*Cough* Blackwood *Cough*.

 

[Guttersniped]

I don’t understand why Brady matters, since we can’t swap out Bratt for Brady.

Is this an argument for letting Bratt walk if his demands are deemed too high or something?

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I don’t understand why Brady matters, since we can’t swap out Bratt for Brady.

Is this an argument for letting Bratt walk if his demands are deemed too high or something?

I brought up Tkachuk (Among others) yesterday when comparing young forwards who had gotten big contract extensions coming off "35-40 point" seasons to start their career. B. Tkachuk, Norris, R. Thomas, Fiala, etc etc

One of the posters was acting like it was absurd to even give Bratt $7 million/year when literally every comparable says otherwise.

 

[MadDevil]

I don’t understand why Brady matters, since we can’t swap out Bratt for Brady.

Is this an argument for letting Bratt walk if his demands are deemed too high or something?

I think it's just a manifestation of the old skill vs grit argument, and we all know both sides are dug in like it's the Western Front in WWI.

 

[Guttersniped]

I hope it’s more than that.

The Miles Wood thing is annoying me so much. If Bratt gets $5.3 million and Wood gets $3 million that’s such bullshit.

And that’s not even touching other massively overpaid guys because they were already signed for that amount for this year long ago.

*Cough* Blackwood *Cough*.

The Wood thing infuriates me because that 3m is the reason we don’t even have the cap space to give Bratt a large deal. Not saying it isn’t doable, but it would be problematic.

You can’t assume guys will stay on LTIR, capping out sucks and teams are simply not taking cap dumps this year. The market has changed, a bunch of teams have wingers they would love to move.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

And also, I don't think its a coincidence that the (few) people who said they would take B. Tkachuk over Bratt are probably older in age (given one of the guys brought up a Nets point guard from 1980)

Its fascinating to me tbh how much the older crowd loves their grit

 

[Guttersniped]

I brought up Tkachuk (Among others) yesterday when comparing young forwards who had gotten big contract extensions coming off "35-40 point" seasons to start their career. B. Tkachuk, Norris, R. Thomas, Fiala, etc etc

One of the posters was acting like it was absurd to even give Bratt $7 million/year when literally every comparable says otherwise.

So you’re to blame!

 

[JimEIV]

And also, I don't think its a coincidence that the (few) people who said they would take B. Tkachuk over Bratt are probably older in age (given one of the guys brought up a Nets point guard from 1980)

Its fascinating to me tbh how much the older crowd loves their grit

I take the player that scores more goals over assist EVERY SINGLE time. Not really "grit" so much in this case...Brady is two years younger than Bratt and has scored 20 more goals in his career in 30 fewer games. Bratt 70 goals in 5 seasons (307 games) - Brady 90 goals in 4 season 277 games.

That is significant to me.

 

[Zippy316]

The Wood thing infuriates me because that 3m is the reason we don’t even have the cap space to give Bratt a large deal. Not saying it isn’t doable, but it would be problematic.

You can’t assume guys will stay on LTIR, capping out sucks and teams are simply not taking cap dumps this year. The market has changed, a bunch of teams have wingers they would love to move.

I don’t think Wood is getting 3 million. If Devils wanted to make sure Wood got less than his QO, they would’ve elected to team arbitration.

The fact that the Devils didn’t makes me think they know Wood’s camp will agree to something less than his QO.

 

[JimEIV]

I don’t think Wood is getting 3 million. If Devils wanted to make sure Wood got less than his QO, they would’ve elected to team arbitration.

The fact that the Devils didn’t makes me think they know Wood’s camp will agree to something less than his QO.

He made 3.5 last year.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I take the player that scores more goals over assist EVERY SINGLE time. Not really "grit" so much in this case...Brady is two years younger than Bratt and has scored 20 more goals in his career in 30 fewer games. Bratt 70 goals in 5 seasons (307 games) - Brady 90 goals in 4 season 277 games.

That is significant to me.

so you'd take Patrik Laine over Bratt as well? Just checking.

 

[Bleedred]

The Wood thing infuriates me because that 3m is the reason we don’t even have the cap space to give Bratt a large deal. Not saying it isn’t doable, but it would be problematic.

You can’t assume guys will stay on LTIR, capping out sucks and teams are simply not taking cap dumps this year. The market has changed, a bunch of teams have wingers they would love to move.

I'm so over Wood at this point because of that. And I don't even hate him as a player, but the one mistake that's on Fitz that he really should get some heat for is the fact that he even qualified the guy at all. He should have seen this coming.

Wood would MUCH rather get qualified by us than for us to have allowed him to go UFA a year early. Because he's not gonna make his qualifying offer in UFA. There's not gonna be much interest in UFA for him, simply because he played 3 games last year. And not only did he play only 3 games last year, he sat out for 6 months injured, came back to play 3 games in the final month of the season, then ended right back on IR and as of the second week of July he hadn't even skated in 3 months before that since he had last played.

Some team(s) might have gladly signed him for 1 year $1.5 million, but no one is signing him for $3 million as a UFA and we shouldn't have as an RFA.

I know there's a contingent of people that really like him and were worried about his next deal even before this year, but he's a 3rd line guy (at best and he's 27 years old, how much is he gonna get?) at the absolute most, he plays a style that isn't really conducive to aging well and you don't sign these guys long term when they become UFA. And DEFINITELY not when you're at the salary cap. The only way I could justify giving him a long term deal is if it were for $1.5-$2 million and I don't think he wants to take that little until he's forced to only play for that little.

''But why are you talking about a multi year deal when it's only one year?''

Because it's not like we were gonna sign him (at least I HOPE not) past this year anyway, so with his current injury status, the fact that he was reduced to 3 games last year, the fact that we're at the salary cap and have to nickel and dime everybody (possibly Bratt from the looks of it) because of him, on top of the fact that we weren't gonna sign him long term because you really shouldn't be signing this type of player long term unless it's for very cheap, it was just better to say BUH-BYE!

And I don't wanna hear about Palat. He's a WAYYYY BETTER player than Wood. Would anyone really seriously rather have Wood at $3 million this year than Palat at $6 million for this year?

 

[JimEIV]

so you'd take Patrik Laine over Bratt as well? Just checking.

Patrick Laine is a little flaky it seems...So there are a whole bunch of peripheral issues there..But yeah I would love to have Laine's goal scoring in New Jersey...At the cost of Bratt? I'm not too sure. Would need a little more careful consideration on my part.

 

[severian]

And also, I don't think its a coincidence that the (few) people who said they would take B. Tkachuk over Bratt are probably older in age (given one of the guys brought up a Nets point guard from 1980)

Its fascinating to me tbh how much the older crowd loves their grit

I love Bratt and I love grit. The issue I have with the Devils lineup is the lack of "skilled grit" or whatever we want to call it, and I think it really hampers the makeup of this roster. I'm still smarting over the Habs taking Slafkovsky over Wright as that's the exact type of player this roster needs.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Its just such an absolutely lazy narrative to say "Player A has more goals than Player B, so he must be better!"

There are SO many other things that go into whether a hockey player is good or not. It honestly boggles my mind how you could just read counting stats and determine that player A is better than player B because he scored more goals

What about their skating? transition game? edgework? boardwork? passing? play-driving and playmaking? defensive game? forecheck?

 

[Nico Hischier]

Long before the draft, I guessed 6x6.66 just because. Now other contracts have been signed and he will get more. Im not sure what the term will be. It would definitely stink if it’s only 1 year

 

[britdevil]

I take the player that scores more goals over assist EVERY SINGLE time. Not really "grit" so much in this case...Brady is two years younger than Bratt and has scored 20 more goals in his career in 30 fewer games. Bratt 70 goals in 5 seasons (307 games) - Brady 90 goals in 4 season 277 games.

That is significant to me.

An assist in itself means a goal was scored right?

I’ll concede the durability point. There’s definitely precedent there.

Mostly because our medical team probably practices medieval medicine.

 

[JimEIV]

An assist in itself means a goal was scored right?

I’ll concede the durability point. There’s definitely precedent there.

Mostly because our medical team probably practices medieval medicine.

In my observations a skilled setup man is more dependent on a skilled goal scorer than the other way around.

 

[FascinationStreet]

So you’re to blame!

god i love Michelle Monaghan

 

[glenwo2]

More like the glue factory for everyone's favorite unicorn.

But seriously, I'm hopeful for at least a 4-year deal here and not a 1-year one.

 

[Devs3cups]

Fitz and Bratt’s agent are probably on the phone right now lol.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Its just such an absolutely lazy narrative to say "Player A has more goals than Player B, so he must be better!"

*Michael Ryder intensifies*