Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason edition

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Triumph

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If you think that me posting the most recent and important examples has much to do with the discussion then I'm going to sit here knowing that I won.

C'mon dog, you're better than that. Post all of the analytics showing why you're right and every coach is wrong. Bill James me guy.

I will say it's pretty funny watching you say things like 'faceoffs can win games, look at last night' when the Rangers lost the game, and they lost it guess how? It all started by winning a faceoff. The Rangers won the draw, dumped it into the corner, Tampa had a free zone exit, Trouba sucks, Stamkos scores, series over.

Every coach isn't wrong. They're paid to worry about this stuff. But it's hard to have any sort of edge in these scenarios. Everyone else is also scheming. Some teams are definitely better off faceoffs than others, some teams are better at puck retrieval after losses, some teams are good off wins, bad off losses, etc. It's a game within the game for sure, but it's only a few goals a year at the margins, and the best and worst results, like everything else in hockey, probably aren't repeatable. The trouble is that the best data on faceoffs left the Internet to go work for the Devils, Tyler Dell.ow looked at thousands and thousands of faceoffs, more than any coach ever has.

Forget the goals, do I want Hamilton behind Blackwood controlling the puck or Fox at the point with it?

Again, this is reductive. Sure, having the puck at the point is great, but point shots off faceoffs can easily be blocked and turn into breakaways the other way. That's rare, but so is scoring a goal off a faceoff win, and the quicker a scoring chance is registered by the defending team from a defensive-zone draw, the more likely it is to be way better than a chance off an offensive zone draw.
 

Jack Be Quick

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I will say it's pretty funny watching you say things like 'faceoffs can win games, look at last night' when the Rangers lost the game, and they lost it guess how? It all started by winning a faceoff. The Rangers won the draw, dumped it into the corner, Tampa had a free zone exit, Trouba sucks, Stamkos scores, series over.

Every coach isn't wrong. They're paid to worry about this stuff. But it's hard to have any sort of edge in these scenarios. Everyone else is also scheming. Some teams are definitely better off faceoffs than others, some teams are better at puck retrieval after losses, some teams are good off wins, bad off losses, etc. It's a game within the game for sure, but it's only a few goals a year at the margins, and the best and worst results, like everything else in hockey, probably aren't repeatable. The trouble is that the best data on faceoffs left the Internet to go work for the Devils, Tyler Dell.ow looked at thousands and thousands of faceoffs, more than any coach ever has.



Again, this is reductive. Sure, having the puck at the point is great, but point shots off faceoffs can easily be blocked and turn into breakaways the other way. That's rare, but so is scoring a goal off a faceoff win, and the quicker a scoring chance is registered by the defending team from a defensive-zone draw, the more likely it is to be way better than a chance off an offensive zone draw.
So nullifying icining permanently will have no effect on the game.

Gotcha.
 

Jack Be Quick

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Umm because someone has to take it. Are you honestly suggesting Copp was put out there specifically to take the faceoff? He’s not even a good face off man. 44.4% in playoffs.

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If you want to have an honest discussion and disagree with me that's fine.

But at this stage you and the other guy are acting like hyenas. Maybe one of you get my kidneys, I doubt it, but stranger things have happened.

Copp was so well above 50% on the dot in the regular season that Gallant obviously felt it pertinent to put him out there in the obvious situations.

His production at that one KEY facet of the game falling off against significantly greater and consistent competition doesn't change that he was their best option.

Do you even watch the Devils on a regular basis? McLeod doesn't have a job without his prowess. Sure, that's not technically all he brings per se, but it's still the only reason he gets an extra 1:00 of ice time per game than he should. What are his other attributes? Getting knocked out, a blocked shot every other game, and being uselessly fast (except on his way to the bench)?
 
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If you want to have an honest discussion and disagree with me that's fine.

But at this stage you and the other guy are acting like hyenas. Maybe one of you get my kidneys, I doubt it, but stranger things have happened.

Copp was so well above 50% on the dot in the regular season that Gallant obviously felt it pertinent to put him out there in the obvious situations.

His production at that one KEY facet of the game falling off against significantly greater and consistent competition doesn't change that he was their best option.

Do you even watch the Devils on a regular basis? McLeod doesn't have a job without his prowess. Sure, that's not technically all he brings per se, but it's still the only reason he gets an extra 1:00 of ice time per game than he should. What are his other attributes? Getting knocked out, a blocked shot every other game, and being uselessly fast (except on his way to the bench)?
What in the world are you talking about right now? The only reason this is hardly an honest discussion is because you haven’t made one decent argument and are just saying stupid things at this point.

Copp wasn’t way above 50% this season and he was under 50% after going to the rangers. He went 36 games as a less than 50% faceoff man and he wasn’t way above it before that. He is far from a faceoff specialist. Every faceoff could very easily go either way and 99% of faceoffs lead to nothing.

I think 99 out of 100 people on here would agree that McLeod played more than he should. Not sure how that proves the importance of faceoffs whatsoever.

1 goal doesn’t prove anything either. For every goal off a faceoff like that there’s a thousand+ that lead to absolutely nothing other than a quick possession change of which there are hundreds in a game.

You’re honestly wasting my time (and the posters that have to read this) at this point because I haven’t heard an intelligent response (like you’re talking about hyenas and your kidneys for some reason).

I have 0 interest in answering another one of your posts unless you come up with a half-decent , half-intelligent argument. Have a good night.
 
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Devils731

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For the love of God can everyone just agree to disagree when it comes to faceoffs?? It's starting to get really tedious.
Let us please get to important items like the goal song.

I don’t think we’ve ever brought up the goal song but does anyone think the team isn’t using the right one? :sarcasm:

I like having a beat writer again.
He’s putting in the work it looks like.

The Athletic should purchase his contract. :lol: I’m just guessing NJ.com isn’t paying anyone a bunch these days.

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Stupid auto merge. These posts have nothing to do with each other. That’s why I did them separately.
 

glenwo2

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So the more I've thought about it, the more I think we are going to be trading the 2nd overall pick in a package to Chicago for Alex DeBrincat.
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Unknown Caller

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And rightfully so, he's getting credit from the fans on Twitter for what he's doing which I'm sure will only serve to motivate and push him to go for this information further.

More people reporting on the team is never a bad thing.

Until he leaves to cover the Giants or gets a higher profile gig in 12 months like every decent beat writer we ever get.
 

Normal Devil

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So the more I've thought about it, the more I think we are going to be trading the 2nd overall pick in a package to Chicago for Alex DeBrincat.
I think I would do it, but I wouldn't want to give up much more than pick #2. The dude is a sure thing .. 24 years old .. two 40 goal seasons. He's be perfect along side of Hughes. I like Slaf and all, but he's a prospect .. DeBrincat has already proven he's an ace at the pro level.
 

Stephen Gionta

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I think I would do it, but I wouldn't want to give up much more than pick #2. The dude is a sure thing .. 24 years old .. two 40 goal seasons. He's be perfect along side of Hughes. I like Slaf and all, but he's a prospect .. DeBrincat has already proven he's an ace at the pro level.
I think it would cost 2nd overall + Holtz
 

OlfactoryHughes

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I think I would do it, but I wouldn't want to give up much more than pick #2. The dude is a sure thing .. 24 years old .. two 40 goal seasons. He's be perfect along side of Hughes. I like Slaf and all, but he's a prospect .. DeBrincat has already proven he's an ace at the pro level.
Not interested in paying DeBrincat, at this point in our timeline, although I do love the player.

If fitz has his heart set on acquiring him, I hope it’s a package around Holtz and not 2oa. Slaf brings a different element to the team. We all hope Holtz becomes a DeBrincat type scorer, so swapping those players (and obviously adding on our end) makes more sense to me, then 2oa.
 
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