Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason edition

[Hisch13r]

Dog, @Triumph literally posted in response to me that faceoffs cannot win games. Hours after the team who is heading to the scf scored, wait for it, the game and series winning goal directly off of a faceoff win.

Shots from center ice win games

 

[Jack Be Quick]

Shots from center ice win games

And hail Mary's occasionally result in a touchdown. Hence the term.

Faceoff victories result in possession 100% of the time. How short lived they are is a different discussion.

 

[Triumph]

Dog, @Triumph literally posted in response to me that faceoffs cannot win games. Mere hours after the team who had just potted one kept their hopes alive by, you guessed it, winning a faceoff.

Yes, because of what happened after the faceoff, genius, they didn't win the faceoff into the net. Vatrano had to get that shot on net, it had to be not blocked (more common for shots to be blocked off a faceoff than at a normal game state, the other team is usually kinda all in the way) and then not stopped by the goalie either. How many goals do you think go in like that in the NHL in a year? 20? Faceoff win directly to RW/LW, shot, goal? I think 20's a high estimate.

The point that everyone else is making that you are ignoring is that this is basically randomness - Copp won 53% of faceoffs this year, Bellemare won 52%. Sometimes a 500-1 shot goes off. Any team could have done this, with any faceoff man, at any time.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

So the more I've thought about it, the more I think we are going to be trading the 2nd overall pick in a package to Chicago for Alex DeBrincat.

 

[Hisch13r]

Yes, because of what happened after the faceoff, genius, they didn't win the faceoff into the net. Vatrano had to get that shot on net, it had to be not blocked (more common for shots to be blocked off a faceoff than at a normal game state, the other team is usually kinda all in the way) and then not stopped by the goalie either. How many goals do you think go in like that in the NHL in a year? 20? Faceoff win directly to RW/LW, shot, goal? I think 20's a high estimate.

The point that everyone else is making that you are ignoring is that this is basically randomness - Copp won 53% of faceoffs this year, Bellemare won 52%. Sometimes a 500-1 shot goes off. Any team could have done this, with any faceoff man, at any time.

Yeah well explain this then nerd

 

[Hollywood Nosebleed]

So the more I've thought about it, the more I think we are going to be trading the 2nd overall pick in a package to Chicago for Alex DeBrincat.

I smell smoke

 

[Jack Be Quick]

Yes, because of what happened after the faceoff, genius, they didn't win the faceoff into the net. Vatrano had to get that shot on net, it had to be not blocked (more common for shots to be blocked off a faceoff than at a normal game state, the other team is usually kinda all in the way) and then not stopped by the goalie either. How many goals do you think go in like that in the NHL in a year? 20? Faceoff win directly to RW/LW, shot, goal? I think 20's a high estimate.

The point that everyone else is making that you are ignoring is that this is basically randomness - Copp won 53% of faceoffs this year, Bellemare won 52%. Sometimes a 500-1 shot goes off. Any team could have done this, with any faceoff man, at any time.

If you think that me posting the most recent and important examples has much to do with the discussion then I'm going to sit here knowing that I won.

C'mon dog, you're better than that. Post all of the analytics showing why you're right and every coach is wrong. Bill James me guy.

Forget the goals, do I want Hamilton behind Blackwood controlling the puck or Fox at the point with it?

 

[Cheddabombs]

So the more I've thought about it, the more I think we are going to be trading the 2nd overall pick in a package to Chicago for Alex DeBrincat.

I'd hope a package around Holtz could get it done, but probably not. DeBrincat would be awesome and gives us a RH scorer that we desperately need.

I think Fitz has a big move or two in store for this offseason

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I can't be the only one to say this, for laughs. Once available - should we offersheet Shesterkin? Flame away

If our goaltending is still f***ed in 3 years, we have other issues. But yeah, I'd give him a big UFA deal.

 

[devilsblood]

Now a player winning a faceoff is "randomness"?

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Now a player winning a faceoff is "randomness"?

Might as well be, yes.

 

[Hisch13r]

I'd hope a package around Holtz could get it done, but probably not. DeBrincat would be awesome and gives us a RH scorer that we desperately need.

I think Fitz has a big move or two in store for this offseason

Fiala’s probably the smart move since I think it’d cost considerably less. I also think we’d get beat out though. Like Buffalo offering 16 straight up or 28+ beats 37+

I smell smoke

What smoke? Has there literally been anything legitimate? The only thing we even saw was from Pagnotta. Not exactly the best source

 

[devilsblood]

Might as well be, yes.

Tightly contested maybe, which makes results appear random.

But much more predictable when one player is good at faceoffs while the other is not. Which is why in an important spot a coach will not put out a weak faceoff player.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Dog, @Triumph literally posted in response to me that faceoffs cannot win games. Mere hours after the team who had just potted one kept their hopes alive by, you guessed it, winning a faceoff.

If your powerplay + empty net offense suck then yes face-offs are important but other than that no they aren't. The Avs were literally bottom 5 in the face-off dot this year and the Lightning were middle of the road. They're not as important as you're making them out to be and no, they don't "win" games.

 

[Hollywood Nosebleed]

Fiala’s probably the smart move since I think it’d cost considerably less. I also think we’d get beat out though. Like Buffalo offering 16 straight up or 28+ beats 37+



What smoke? Has there literally been anything legitimate? The only thing we even saw was from Pagnotta. Not exactly the best source

I meant smoke as in he's thinking too hard and should stop. He's been proposing horrible trades on the trade forum for the last 2 weeks. A lot of them are worse than other team's fans trying to get #2

 

[devilsblood]

If your powerplay + empty net offense suck then yes face-offs are important but other than that no they aren't. The Avs were literally bottom 5 in the face-off dot this year and the Lightning were middle of the road. They're not as important as you're making them out to be and no, they don't "win" games.

Faceoffs are a part of the puzzle. It's not the end all be all, but no aspect of hockey is.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Pages about FACEOFFS?

 

[Cheddabombs]

Fiala’s probably the smart move since I think it’d cost considerably less. I also think we’d get beat out though. Like Buffalo offering 16 straight up or 28+ beats 37+

I'd love Fiala too, but agreed that we probably get beat out. It's tough because we have a few quality assets to use, but if you're not swinging for the fences then they'd likely be an overpayment. Then the next, i guess tier, of assets we have aren't nearly as valuable to get someone like Fiala.

Maybe Muk? He's more of a wild card though, I'm sure his value and projection varies a lot depending on who you ask.

 

[Hisch13r]

I'd love Fiala too, but agreed that we probably get beat out. It's tough because we have a few quality assets to use, but if you're not swinging for the fences then they'd likely be an overpayment. Then the next, i guess tier, of assets we have aren't nearly as valuable to get someone like Fiala.

Maybe Muk? He's more of a wild card though, I'm sure his value and projection varies a lot depending on who you ask.

I’m admittedly much lower on Muk but I think even if you’re high on him you’d have to be willing to give him up for Fiala.

 

[devilsblood]

Pages about FACEOFFS?

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I believe next weeks topic is going to be "grit". So keep your schedule open.

 

[Bad Goalie]

Fair enough. I don’t think he’s available though. The Canucks are probably looking to keep him.

I just don’t see them wanting to get rid of him unless they really wanna just bottom out. They showed they could be competitive after Boudreau was hired.

I think in that division they should be able to get into the playoffs. Travis Green really has my convinced he’s one of the worst coaches we’ve seen in the NHL in the last few years.

I don't believe he will be made available either. I was just commenting on an offer a poster said he thought the Canucks might be considering. My opinion would be if that were to be real, I'd be all in. I'm not posing a speculative deal, just responding to a Canuck post on their site.

 

[NjDevsRR]

I believe next weeks topic is going to be "grit". So keep your schedule open.

I’ll being the Torts pics

 

[Bad Goalie]

Fair enough. I don’t think he’s available though. The Canucks are probably looking to keep him.

I just don’t see them wanting to get rid of him unless they really wanna just bottom out. They showed they could be competitive after Boudreau was hired.

I think in that division they should be able to get into the playoffs. Travis Green really has my convinced he’s one of the worst coaches we’ve seen in the NHL in the last few years.

I don't believe he will be made available either. I was just commenting on an offer a poster said he thought the Canucks might be considering. My opinion would be if that were to be real, I'd be all in. I'm not posing a speculative deal, just responding to a Canuck post on their site.

Demko is a .915 save goaltender. Yes better than what we currently have but hardly stellar stats to warrant trading the 2nd overall.

When we traded for Schneider he had a career average .930.

He is .915 on one of the shittiest defensive teams in the entire NHL. He faces point blank shots on a regular basis night after night. The kind of shots your Devils keepers this season were eaten alive on. The guy is a top NHL keeper and every hockey analyst will agree.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

If your powerplay + empty net offense suck then yes face-offs are important but other than that no they aren't. The Avs were literally bottom 5 in the face-off dot this year and the Lightning were middle of the road. They're not as important as you're making them out to be and no, they don't "win" games.

Show where I said they win games all on their own.

I'll wait.

 

[Hisch13r]

Show where I said they win games.

I'll wait.

Is this not you basically insinuating that?

Dog, @Triumph literally posted in response to me that faceoffs cannot win games. Mere hours after the team who had just potted one kept their hopes alive by, you guessed it, winning a faceoff.