Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II

[Stephen Gionta]

Blackwood gone.
Severson gone.
Wood (soon to be) gone.

we are CLEANSED of the stank, fellas!

What exactly about Miles Wood and Damon Severson "stunk" ?

They were both tremendous Devils.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

I'm using:
Boqvist: 1M
Bahl: 1.2M
McLeod: 1.8M
Bastian: 1.8M
Meier: 8.5M

I think that puts us about 700K over the cap.

I’d bring Bastian down a bit. Was literally on waivers last year and hasn’t done anything to warrant that. But McLeod and Bahl could also be slightly higher. Gonna be interesting to see how it works out but I don’t see Hellebyuck fitting in next year or later and I’m comfortable riding Schmid and Vanacek into the season. With an AHL depth signing.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Sure, if we make an already expensive trade even more expensive it’s possible. But the trade is already gonna be more than risky enough. Chevyldayoff is also trying to win now and probably places extremely high value on that cap space one and on getting contributing players back as he showed today as well. I don’t see how this trade would make sense or workout unless the market for him is dry which is unlikely. Nor do I really want to do it given the likely cost for how much risk comes with it.

The Jets have literally see what's happened in Calgary, I assure that they won't take the same approach. If they do, they're the dumbest NHL franchise to walk this green Earth. They're going to take guys that are considered futures sprinkled in with a guy or two on the roster. Maybe you're right that they ask for Schmid but I highly doubt it.

 

[Nubmer6]

I’d bring Bastian down a bit. Was literally on waivers last year and hasn’t done anything to warrant that. But McLeod and Bahl could also be slightly higher. Gonna be interesting to see how it works out but I don’t see Hellebyuck fitting in next year or later and I’m comfortable riding Schmid and Vanacek into the season. With an AHL depth signing.

Timo could come in higher (or lower) too. Add to that the fact that we'd probably want a RHD for insurance if Nemec isn't ready and it becomes *REALLY* tight unless the RHD we get is at league minimum and we go with a 22 man roster.

 

[MauDevils]

We've gone like two hours without a trade...Fitz is slacking.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

The Jets have literally see what's happened in Calgary, I assure that they won't take the same approach. If they do, they're the dumbest NHL franchise to walk this green Earth. They're going to take guys that are considered futures sprinkled in with a guy or two on the roster. Maybe you're right that they ask for Schmid but I highly doubt it.

What? What’re you talking about? Did you not see the return they got for PLD? They could’ve gotten a ton of futures elsewhere. It’s likely the completely opposite especially given their GM is probably starting to run out of time. Their trade return for PLD was all roster players with a 2nd round pick sprinkled in. That’s what they reportedly wanted. Not sure what you’re basing this they won’t do that opinion on when that’s literally what they have done and are reportedly doing to this point.

The only reason I could see them not asking for Schmid is because they want someone more proven. But if they want a goalie in return from us it’s most likely gonna be Schmid.

 

[Nubmer6]

What? What’re you talking about? Did you not see the return they got for PLD? They could’ve gotten a ton of futures elsewhere. It’s likely the completely opposite especially given their GM is probably starting to run out of time. Their trade return for PLD was all roster players with a 2nd round pick sprinkled in. That’s what they reportedly wanted. Not sure what you’re basing this they won’t do that opinion on when that’s literally what they have done and are reportedly doing to this point.

The only reason I could see them not asking for Schmid is because they want someone more proven. But if they want a goalie in return from us it’s most likely gonna be Schmid.

We DEFINITELY can't fit Helle's cap hit in if they take Schmid.

 

[My3Sons]

Ya, I think I ran it with higher numbers. I'm expecting McLeod and Bastian to get more than a 25% raise.

If we managed to pull it off, again, it would be awfully tight.

The team has to save some room for bonus overages as well.

 

[Nubmer6]

The team has to save some room for bonus overages as well.

True, but they may push that off till next season where there will be a big cap increase and we get Cory off the books.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Gotta think Fitz will want to get some of the RFA’s done before FA opens. Just to give him a little more certainty on what he’s working with cap space wise.

 

[MB3]

I'm using:
Boqvist: 1M
Bahl: 1.2M
McLeod: 1.8M
Bastian: 1.8M
Meier: 8.5M

I think that puts us about 700K over the cap.

Unless I’m way drunker than I thought:

that total (which seems high on bahl and bastian) adds up to 14.3m.

With 19.5m in cap room, the devils can easily fit all of the above and swap vanecek for helle.

 

[Saugus]

We've gone like two hours without a trade...Fitz is slacking.

Seriously, at this point I would settle for a signing. I guess Meier will have to do.

 

[Nubmer6]

Unless I’m way drunker than I thought:

that total (which seems high on bahl and bastian) adds up to 14.3m.

With 19.5m in cap room, the devils can easily fit all of the above and swap vanecek for helle.

Hmm... not sure this will work:

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/edit/4335527

 

[Lou Bloom]

I have no interest in Hellebuyck. In these playoffs alone we saw Vasilevskiy, Oettinger, Ullmark and Hellebuyck all post sub .900 SV% and the teams with Adin Hill and one of the worst contracts in the league in Bobrovsky make it to the Cup finals. Paying a premium for a goalie as a rental is just not worth it.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I'm using:
Boqvist: 1M
Bahl: 1.2M
McLeod: 1.8M
Bastian: 1.8M
Meier: 8.5M

I think that puts us about 700K over the cap.

With the roll Fitz is on, I’m half expecting him to get Timo under 8.

 

[Devs3cups]

Odds Timo gets done by the draft?

 

[Zippy316]

If my math is right, Devils have 19 million left with 8 forwards, 5 defenders, and Vanecek/Schmid.

Meier at 8.5 brings that number down to 10.5, with Bahl, McLeod, Bastian, and Boqvist being the remaining RFAs. I think it’s save to assume 5 million for that group give or take.

Brings us to 5.5 million with a roster of 12 forwards, 6 defenseman, and VV/Schmid. Assuming two depth forwards at 1 million each, that’s 3.5 million in space with one roster spot open to potentially add someone like Gudas on defense (or theoretically fit Hellebuyck with Vanecek going the other way).

Damn Fitzgerald has done a masterclass at managing this roster so far.

 

[MB3]

I have no interest in Hellebuyck. In these playoffs alone we saw Vasilevskiy, Oettinger, Ullmark and Hellebuyck all post sub .900 SV% and the teams with Adin Hill and one of the worst contracts in the league in Bobrovsky make it to the Cup finals. Paying a premium for a goalie as a rental is just not worth it.

What about Vasilevski those 3 times? Oettinger dragging his mediocre team to the finals a few years back. Shesterkin almost dragged the rangers kicking and screaming to the cup last year. Carey Price in the bubble?

There are many ways to skin a cat but just like it’s unfair to say “you need a top-5 goalie to win the cup”, it’s unfair to say “having a top-5 goalie doesn’t help you win a cup.”

 

[Captain3rdLine]

What about Vasilevski those 3 times? Oettinger dragging his mediocre team to the finals a few years back. Shesterkin almost dragged the rangers kicking and screaming to the cup last year. Carey Price in the bubble?

There are many ways to skin a cat but just like it’s unfair to say “you need a top-5 goalie to win the cup”, it’s unfair to say “having a top-5 goalie doesn’t help you win a cup.”

But he never said that or anything remotely close to that. Just that paying a premium for a potential rental goalie isn’t worth it. And I agree given how unpredictable goalies can be.

We could pay a shit ton for Hellebyuck and then it wouldn’t be all that surpising if he had an absolutely shitter of a season. Or we could give him some huge contract like he’s asking for and have him fall apart. Spending huge assets and money on goalies is risky business.

 

[Lou Bloom]

What about Vasilevski those 3 times? Oettinger dragging his mediocre team to the finals a few years back. Shesterkin almost dragged the rangers kicking and screaming to the cup last year. Carey Price in the bubble?

There are many ways to skin a cat but just like it’s unfair to say “you need a top-5 goalie to win the cup”, it’s unfair to say “having a top-5 goalie doesn’t help you win a cup.”

I'm not saying goalies aren't valuable, the problem is paying a premium for 1 cup run is far too risky an investment. There's a difference between having Vasilevskiy signed through his prime years, Oettinger on his ELC and Shesterkin signed through his prime vs trading for a rental Hellebuyck.

 

[JrFischer54]

The Jets have literally see what's happened in Calgary, I assure that they won't take the same approach. If they do, they're the dumbest NHL franchise to walk this green Earth. They're going to take guys that are considered futures sprinkled in with a guy or two on the roster. Maybe you're right that they ask for Schmid but I highly doubt it.

The jets can ask for schmid but the devils have the leverage. He doesn’t want to resign there it’s the final year so that will drive down the price of the trade. Not many contending teams looking or can afford. Vitek would be a good place holder for them and they can flip him again. They know they aren’t a win now team and if they don’t? Oh well

 

[R8Devs]

I think re-signing the remaining RFAs will have the devils around 1.5-2.5m in space with this roster:

Bratt-Hughes-Toffoli
Meier-Hischier-Mercer
Palat-Haula-Holtz
Boqvist-Mcleod-Bastian
Foote-Lazar

Siegenthaler-Hamilton
Hughes-Marino
Bahl-Nemec
Smith

Schmid
Vanacek

There is 5m in potential performance bonuses so this amount of cap space will give them a nice cushion for that even though I doubt that it will be anywhere near that in actuality and allows them to accrue cap space for any in-season additions. But also enough space for a depth player add as well.

 

[JrFischer54]

I have no interest in Hellebuyck. In these playoffs alone we saw Vasilevskiy, Oettinger, Ullmark and Hellebuyck all post sub .900 SV% and the teams with Adin Hill and one of the worst contracts in the league in Bobrovsky make it to the Cup finals. Paying a premium for a goalie as a rental is just not worth it.

Yeah i mean I watched the same playoffs where our starters were pulled what 6 times in 12 games?

 

[Nubmer6]

I'm not saying goalies aren't valuable, the problem is paying a premium for 1 cup run is far too risky an investment. There's a difference between having Vasilevskiy signed through his prime years, Oettinger on his ELC and Shesterkin signed through his prime vs trading for a rental Hellebuyck.

I suppose it would all come down to what we'd pay for him.

I'm beginning to get a little worried about our depth. Our extra forwards will likely be Holtz and Foote, followed by a lot of questionmarks like Clarke and Tyce Thompson.

 

[Bleedred]

What about Vasilevski those 3 times? Oettinger dragging his mediocre team to the finals a few years back. Shesterkin almost dragged the rangers kicking and screaming to the cup last year. Carey Price in the bubble?

There are many ways to skin a cat but just like it’s unfair to say “you need a top-5 goalie to win the cup”, it’s unfair to say “having a top-5 goalie doesn’t help you win a cup.”

I mostly agree with your points, but Oettinger wasn't the goalie for Dallas that year they got to the finals. Though I think he played a couple of games strictly in relief.

That was actually Anton Khudobin, which is up there pretty high on the list of rando goalies making the cup finals. That was actually up there with Michael Leighton for most random goalie on a cup finalist. Not only was he a complete rando goalie, but also an older one as well.