Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II

[SteveCangialosi123]

Healthy groin Palat is going to cook next year. He’ll have a big year 2 in NJ like Tatar did.

 

[devilsblood]

We let Miles Wood walk. If we were interested in a guy that skated fast in a straight line and scores the occasional goal, we would’ve kept him. Josh Anderson with double retention isn’t even appealing.

Anderson is tied with players such as Bratt, Marchand, and Stamkos over the last 3 years in 5v5 goals. Good for 45th in the league. He scores more then the occasional goal.

I'm not even sure what double retention is, but I do think there is a level at which he becomes appealing. Not that I expect him to ever be in NJ.

 

[njdevils1982]

now im wondering how expensive that bike is.....and sweet looking building in the background

 

[Hisch13r]

Healthy groin Palat is going to cook next year. He’ll have a big year 2 in NJ like Tatar did.

I wouldn’t expect nearly the impact of Tatar. Tatar was an elite playdriver before we signed him. Palat was an average 2nd liner. He’ll be better than he was last year but that also shouldn’t be that hard

 

[NjDevsRR]

Healthy groin Palat is going to cook next year. He’ll have a big year 2 in NJ like Tatar did.

@Devs3cups

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I wouldn’t expect nearly the impact of Tatar. Tatar was an elite playdriver before we signed him. Palat was an average 2nd liner. He’ll be better than he was last year but that also shouldn’t be that hard

Tatar has better advanced stats. Palat has had the much, much, much better career. He is at his best when it matters most.

 

[Aurinko]

I wouldn’t expect nearly the impact of Tatar. Tatar was an elite playdriver before we signed him. Palat was an average 2nd liner. He’ll be better than he was last year but that also shouldn’t be that hard

At least the playoff performance was already there.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Anderson is tied with players such as Bratt, Marchand, and Stamkos over the last 3 years in 5v5 goals. Good for 45th in the league. He scores more then the occasional goal.

I'm not even sure what double retention is, but I do think there is a level at which he becomes appealing. Not that I expect him to ever be in NJ.

He’s tied for 97th in total goals over the last 3 seasons and is useless when not scoring unlike the players you made this weird comparison with.

Not sure if it’s still allowed, but double retention would be team A retains, player is sent to a team, they retain and send them to another team. I wouldn’t even want him in this circumstance. Not a good player.

 

[Devs3cups]

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@Devs3cups

Palat is gonna chef this season. COOK.

 

[devilsblood]

He’s tied for 97th in total goals over the last 3 seasons and is useless when not scoring unlike the players you made this weird comparison with.

Not sure if it’s still allowed, but double retention would be team A retains, player is sent to a team, they retain and send them to another team. I wouldn’t even want him in this circumstance. Not a good player.

Even 97th is very good. But it's not a weird comparison, it's a rebuttal to the idea that he scores the "occasional goal", no he scores goal at a similar rate to some of the best players in the league.

Does that mean he's a top player? Again, no, but he scores goals at a high rate, and if you could get that guy for under $2 mil(which I assume is where double retention would get you), it's a pretty easy call.

 

[devilsblood]

Tatar has better advanced stats. Palat has had the much, much, much better career. He is at his best when it matters most.

The odd thing here is, Palat had solid underlying stats this season. He didn't have the individual regular season stats we might have expected, but his xGF was 5th amongst NJ fwds at 58%.

 

[Mgd31]

The odd thing here is, Palat had solid underlying stats this season. He didn't have the individual regular season stats we might have expected, but his xGF was 5th amongst NJ fwds at 58%.

Also 57% in the playoffs which was 4th amongst Devils forwards behind Bratt, Hischier and Meier (not counting Sharangovich and Lazar due to games played)

 

[devilsblood]

Also 57% in the playoffs which was 4th amongst Devils forwards behind Bratt, Hischier and Meier (not counting Sharangovich and Lazar due to games played)

Tatar's underlying #'s dropped off significantly in the playoffs too. So the "he played well but the team couldn't finish" reasoning doesn't fly with Tatar.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

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Palat is gonna chef this season. COOK.

He better. Though I give him credit for showing up in the playoffs as he always does.

 

[Devs3cups]

He better. Though I give him credit for showing up in the playoffs as he always does.

Getting injured right at the start of the season and not being at 100% all year sucks. He gets a mulligan as far as I’m concerned. Hopefully he’s 100% to start the year.

 

[MasterofGrond]

Remember how lost Dougie looked at times year 1? And then look what he did.

Maybe Palat will be bad or maybe he’ll just be alright, but there’s some hope there.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Palat was banged up most of the year and recovering from surgery and he still delivered in the playoffs.

Not worried about him. We got a great group of skaters, should be all positive vibes with our group on paper

 

[Better Call Sal]

Palat stole Fox and Krieder’s lunch money in what turned out to be the series deciding play and goal. He gets more than a pass from me just for that alone.

 

[Aurinko]

Palat stole Fox and Krieder’s lunch money in what turned out to be the series deciding play and goal. He gets more than a pass from me just for that alone.

Huge huge Gallant fan. Without this goal he might be still the coach. It was not the first time management fcks up the season with TDL acquisitions, but firing Gallant was a mistake that could cost them much more.

What goes to the actual goal and Palat forechecking. Masterpiece.

 

[MadDevil]

I was at work and when that goal was scored yelled so loudly I'm pretty everybody left in the building heard me.

 

[Better Call Sal]

I was completely floored, jumping up and down like a little kid. I couldn’t believe what I had just witnessed, from the forecheck to the finish.

I never get tired of rewatching it.

 

[Better Call Sal]

Also, let's just enjoy those series goals one more time that Bill and Dano had a share in.

One is for the whole series and one is for Game 7 and has some longer clips to it. We can't get to revel in this enough, honestly.

Between my summer trips having ended and the overall weather having been kinda lousy, I just want it to be fall already and set foot in the Rock. Hoping to take my son to his first game this year, he's still only 2 so I think a preseason one might be best. Then I won't care if I'm chasing him around the concourse.

 

[Better Call Sal]

One last thing to add to try and make this Monday morning after vacation enjoyable. I loved catching this wholesome moment from the broadcast after game 7 and was just happy to find that someone on Youtube picked up the final moments and that I could gif this accordingly.

Gotta love it.

 

[Triumph]

Even 97th is very good. But it's not a weird comparison, it's a rebuttal to the idea that he scores the "occasional goal", no he scores goal at a similar rate to some of the best players in the league.

Does that mean he's a top player? Again, no, but he scores goals at a high rate, and if you could get that guy for under $2 mil(which I assume is where double retention would get you), it's a pretty easy call.

It's not a 'pretty easy call' because no one is double retaining for you without a serious payment, like a 1st round pick. This isn't double retention on a contract loaded with bonuses that's dealt at the trade deadline, this is keeping dead cap space and using a retention slot for 4 years in order to facilitate a trade.

I'm so glad to be rid of a player who just scores goals and is frustrating 90% of the other time with his decision making. Getting another one who is definitely on the downslope of his career would be madness.

 

[Blackjack]

The Athletic is doing the U23 rankings, which Jack is still eligible for. We should be near the top again. First eight are published today with eight more to follow each day.