I think I only understand about half of the bizarre feuds ongoing in this thread.
Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II
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- May 8, 2010
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Tensions are definitely high lol. Devils hockey can’t come back soon enough.
MasterofGrond
No, I'm not serious.
Turns out nemec will be making the team earlier than many expected.
I’m moving to Rochester, and within walking distance of where the Amerks play, so I personally guarantee Nemec will be out of Utica by November 3rd.
I’m moving to Rochester, and within walking distance of where the Amerks play, so I personally guarantee Nemec will be out of Utica by November 3rd.
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PizzaAndPucks
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Yeah he's a good dude but he certainly lived up to his playoff disappearing act this year. He did a good job playing with Nico this year and was a monster in the +/- department too. I feel like us not bringing him back was the right call though. We need veterans that can carry their game over to the post season. Tatar was just notorious for not producing when they roll around. He had the big goal vs the Rags in game 7 and I'll always be thankful for that but a younger player being given his icetime seems to be the proper move. Especially from a cap perspective.
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You can be skeptical of the efficacy of the development but it’s a development league. And for reasons you just said, they get more ice time.
Where are North American players developing “better”? I don’t agree with the argument that players develop any better in the NHL, it’s just that better players end up in NHL earlier (as they should).
Some teams do a better job of developing players in minors as well, I believe NHL teams should invest a ton in player development. It’s not expensive and most teams with any extended success have done so.
It sounded like we’re starting to step up game at the last development camp, it was reported that players saw a lot more staff.
I guess you believe player development is a thing or don’t.
no big deal?
some of us would have to change their handle like rangersdoggo
family entertainment
we wanted to go river rafting but the weather turned bad. you can't ask two 15 year olds to spend more time on their cell phones.
I never said players develop better in the NHL (or anywhere else). If there were a men's league of equal skill to the AHL for North Americans without the development rules and emphasis on development, I don't think we would see massively different outcomes than we do with the AHL, that's all.
Spending more on it is fine since you said, it's negligible - it's one minimum salary contract at the NHL at most, probably. Doing it is better than not doing it. I'm just skeptical of the results. Obviously some players get much better after turning pro in North America, obviously some of that is from careful study of their game/re-evaluation of habits both on and off ice. I'm just more skeptical of statements like 'My game has totally changed in the last 3 years' - I both believe it is true, but also that it's always going to be the kind of thing athletes say because they are always fine-tuning things and thinking about new ways to improve.
glenwo2
JESPER BRATWURST
Now for something completely wholesome :
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AfroThunder396
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I don't know if developmental league is the right term, the AHL is more of a weed-out league. It's not really for elevating players, but for revealing who they really are.
Guys like McLeod were able to put up great numbers in Juniors, but in hindsight it's pretty clear that this was only because he was the most physically gifted in his cohort. So he was a man amongst boys. But then he gets to the AHL and realizes he can't just blow past a guy to the outside and get free breakaways every game. Because at this level, the guys are just as strong and fast as he is. So what's he going to do? A lot of guys would change nothing, play out their contract and then go play in Europe. But McLeod didn't want that, so he made adjustments. That tells you a lot about the player.
As fans, all we do is watch the game. So we're obviously biased towards the on-ice results. But I think off-ice development is even more important through the eyes of a GM. Diet and exercise, maturity, travel and schedule, all of these are things that all amateur players need to adjust to once they go pro. Some guys make that adjustment easier than others. Some never do. And I think that's the development part. Learning how to be a professional hockey player and not just a guy that's good at hockey (there is a huge difference).
If the team is pleased with Foote then that's great, I'm glad to hear it. But I don't think they "fixed" him, or that he learned a super cool new secret move that will instantly make him a 30 goal scorer. But he probably had an easy road through juniors as a legacy player, so seeing him deal with adjustments/adversity is nice to see.
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As for the top-6 discussion, I think this is largely a battle of semantics. When you say top-6 people have different ideas of what that term means. Is it the top-192 players in the NHL (because, you know, 32 teams x 6 players per team = 192), is it whoever has the 6th most icetime currently, is it who has the 6th highest points, is it someone who would be a one of the 6 best players on any NHL team? These are all definitions I've encountered. I'm not going to tell someone that they're wrong because they view these terms in a different way than I do.
Now I certainly agree that the 1st line / 2nd line / checking line / grinder line-matching hierarchy that we saw in the Lou days is extinct, but I don't think that means these terms are useless. They're just more fluid and open to interpretation than they used to be. Timo Meier is a top line forward whether he's on the "top line" with Jack Hughes and Jesper Bratt, or on the "4th line" with McLeod and Bastian. Neither of those things changes who Timo is, what he's capable of, and how valuable he is to the team. Line chemistry is far more important than assigning arbitrary numbers IMO.
Guys like McLeod were able to put up great numbers in Juniors, but in hindsight it's pretty clear that this was only because he was the most physically gifted in his cohort. So he was a man amongst boys. But then he gets to the AHL and realizes he can't just blow past a guy to the outside and get free breakaways every game. Because at this level, the guys are just as strong and fast as he is. So what's he going to do? A lot of guys would change nothing, play out their contract and then go play in Europe. But McLeod didn't want that, so he made adjustments. That tells you a lot about the player.
As fans, all we do is watch the game. So we're obviously biased towards the on-ice results. But I think off-ice development is even more important through the eyes of a GM. Diet and exercise, maturity, travel and schedule, all of these are things that all amateur players need to adjust to once they go pro. Some guys make that adjustment easier than others. Some never do. And I think that's the development part. Learning how to be a professional hockey player and not just a guy that's good at hockey (there is a huge difference).
If the team is pleased with Foote then that's great, I'm glad to hear it. But I don't think they "fixed" him, or that he learned a super cool new secret move that will instantly make him a 30 goal scorer. But he probably had an easy road through juniors as a legacy player, so seeing him deal with adjustments/adversity is nice to see.
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As for the top-6 discussion, I think this is largely a battle of semantics. When you say top-6 people have different ideas of what that term means. Is it the top-192 players in the NHL (because, you know, 32 teams x 6 players per team = 192), is it whoever has the 6th most icetime currently, is it who has the 6th highest points, is it someone who would be a one of the 6 best players on any NHL team? These are all definitions I've encountered. I'm not going to tell someone that they're wrong because they view these terms in a different way than I do.
Now I certainly agree that the 1st line / 2nd line / checking line / grinder line-matching hierarchy that we saw in the Lou days is extinct, but I don't think that means these terms are useless. They're just more fluid and open to interpretation than they used to be. Timo Meier is a top line forward whether he's on the "top line" with Jack Hughes and Jesper Bratt, or on the "4th line" with McLeod and Bastian. Neither of those things changes who Timo is, what he's capable of, and how valuable he is to the team. Line chemistry is far more important than assigning arbitrary numbers IMO.
MartyOwns
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what the f*** is that supposed to mean??
Forge
Blissfully Mediocre
Appreciate your service to the team. Moving to get an earlier Nemec call up is some serious dedication
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theoptimist
Trade Siegenthaler
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Guadana
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Im already here.
Guadana
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No need, you live in britain.
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Only during the witching hours. You should know this.....
Maine Fan
Defense Wins Chanpionships
I am still here champion the case that the Devils stay with Vitek and Schmid in goal. You can always pick up a rental goalie at the trade deadline if necessary.
I know this article is from fan club but it makes the point to support my position. Thanks for the article.
pucksandpitchforks.com
I know this article is from fan club but it makes the point to support my position. Thanks for the article.
Stick With The Man, Stick To The Plan: Akira Schmid Should Make Devils Roster
Akira Schmid is coming off a really good 14 game season, and a very stellar playoff run. It is time to give him more ice time to become a star in net.
pucksandpitchforks.com
glenwo2
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Is that your dog? (looks at Avatar)I am still here champion the case that the Devils stay with Vitek and Schmid in goal. You can always pick up a rental goalie at the trade deadline if necessary.
I know this article is from fan club but it makes the point to support my position. Thanks for the article.
Stick With The Man, Stick To The Plan: Akira Schmid Should Make Devils Roster
Akira Schmid is coming off a really good 14 game season, and a very stellar playoff run. It is time to give him more ice time to become a star in net.
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