Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II

[Billdo]

I'm gonna have to listen to it.

I bet this didn't happen, but I'd love for Biz to bring up how he still hopes we don't make the conference finals again this year, so he doesn't have to get NJ tattooed on his ass as per the lost bet.

 

[glenwo2]

 

[Billdo]

Here ya go @Bleedred

 

[Devs3cups]

Luke and Simon as the top 2 D-man prospects. Our boys getting some love!

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Luke should be ahead of Carlson and Michkov

 

[Nubmer6]

Luke and Simon as the top 2 D-man prospects. Our boys getting some love!

Not enough Casey

 

[RememberTheName]

Luke should be ahead of Carlson and Michkov

Carlsson is a debatable maybe... Michkov absolutely not. Says more about Michkov than it does about Luke. This is the best the league-wide prospect pool has been in a very long time.

 

[MartyOwns]

Luke and Simon as the top 2 D-man prospects. Our boys getting some love!

the devils and blue jackets are going to be a force for a while. should be interesting

 

[Hisch13r]

the devils and blue jackets are going to be a force for a while. should be interesting

Jackets are stacked on the backend. Forwards still need a bit of work

 

[Lou Bloom]

Luke and Simon as the top 2 D-man prospects. Our boys getting some love!

Feel like a lot of these top prospects list are heavily underrating the 2023 defenseman. I'd have Willander and Simashev above the majority of prospects on these lists.

 

[njdevils1982]

the devils and blue jackets are going to be a force for a while. should be interesting

Jackets are stacked on the backend. Forwards still need a bit of work

it's the jackets...they'll find a way to f*** it up

 

[Billdo]

Luke should be ahead of Carlson and Michkov

I'd agree with Carlson but not Michkov.

 

[Devs3cups]

Luke should be ahead of Carlson and Michkov

As @RememberTheName said, I’d debate Carlsson, mostly because his skating is a small question mark for me, but I have no issue with Michkov being over him. Nice to have the top 2 D-man prospects though!

 

[Xirik]

I am and I assumme Guadana would say that the list is missing some Russian prospects but that is pretty usual.

 

[MasterofGrond]

I have Hughes below bedard and michkov but above fantili and Carlsson

It’s all razor thin (after bedard and michkov) for me though

 

[britdevil]

No need, you live in britain.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

who would Hischiers biggest competition for Selke be now that Bergeron is retired?

ive read Barkov and Eriksson Ek..

Marner i was surprised had some votes this year!

 

[Guttersniped]

Luke and Simon as the top 2 D-man prospects. Our boys getting some love!

I’m sure Habs fans reacted well to Reinbacher being #17 (after Knies at #15!).

Update: I looked and they were too busy overreacting to Hutson being the 10th defenseman at 26th to notice. (He’s better than the overrated Luke apparently.)

 

[Hisch13r]

who would Hischiers biggest competition for Selke be now that Bergeron is retired?

ive read Barkov and Eriksson Ek..

Marner i was surprised had some votes this year!

It won’t take long for Beniers to get into the conversation. I wouldn’t surprised if he’s in there as early as next season

 

[Eggtimer]

It won’t take long for Beniers to get into the conversation. I wouldn’t surprised if he’s in there as early as next season

Lindholm might get some consideration. Stone , Pettersson , will be up there too

 

[Guttersniped]

who would Hischiers biggest competition for Selke be now that Bergeron is retired?

ive read Barkov and Eriksson Ek..

Marner i was surprised had some votes this year!

Marner came in 3rd, he got a lot of votes.

I wouldn’t count out Stone if he can stay healthy.

While (some) Vancouver fans can be annoying, they aren’t wrong about Pettersson’s defense, if/when the Canucks are better he’ll be a candidate.

Spoiler: From an April 2023 Athletic article:

Vs. Final Voting
1) Bergeron 1st 1914 (187-4-2-2-0)
2) Hischier 2nd 804 (3-68-38-28-24)
3) Kopitar 5th 428 (2-24-28-29-13)
4) Crosby 12th 23 (0-1-0-4-4)
5) Backlund 6th 322 (0-15-22-27-26)
6) Zibanejad 16th 16 (0-0-2-1-3)
7) Barkov 8th 142 (0-10-7-9-10)
8) Lindholm 10th 36 (0-1-4-3-0)
9) Staal 4th 429 (1-36-15-23-23)
10) Stephenson t-30 3 (0-0-0-1-0)

1) Bergeron 1st 1914 (187-4-2-2-0)
2) Backlund 6th 322 (0-15-22-27-26)
3) Compher 13th 23 (0-0-1-4-6)
4) Cates 15th 19 (0-1-1-1-4)
5) Eriksson Ek 9th 128 (0-4-10-8-26)
6) Hischier 2nd 804 (3-68-38-28-24)
7) Kopitar 5th 428 (2-24-28-29-13)
8) Marner 3rd 480 (3-21-39-27-27)
9) Kreider No Votes
10) Gourde 23rd 7 (0-0-0-2-1)

1) Bergeron 1st 1914 (187-4-2-2-0)
2) Hischier 2nd 804 (3-68-38-28-24)
3) Backlund 6th 322 (0-15-22-27-26)
4) Marner 3rd 480 (3-21-39-27-27)
5) Petterson 7th 163 (0-6-15-12-10)
6) Aho 28th 5 (0-0-0-1-2)
7) Kreider No Votes
8) Kopitar 5th 428 (2-24-28-29-13)
9) Eriksson Ek 9th 128 (0-4-10-8-26)
10) Barkov 8th 142 (0-10-7-9-10)
Note: This last list ended up being the closest, which make sense because the top vote getters still need to be on a good team and score.

This list only missed that voters liked Staal better, his rep as a premier shutdown center put him over Aho, and voters don’t care about Kreider. (Not sure why Dom’s model went ga ga over him either but whatever.)

The end of that article:

Otherwise, the rest of the contenders are tasked to shut down the league’s best forwards in their minutes — and many of them do it quite successfully. And many, clearly, are managing to limit star players, and push play back up the ice.

No one is better at that, right now, than Bergeron. He’s the favorite no matter how the trophy criteria is defined. Bergeron’s on track to win his record-setting sixth trophy, and second in a row. The Bruins’ center has been pivotal all year, in every situation, at an elite level.

But others may finally be breaking into the race. Along with favorites like Bergeron and Kopitar, maybe Backlund finally gets his due because the offense stands out along with his shutdown defense. Eriksson Ek’s been a force in his own zone, too, which could be finalist-worthy. And Hischier’s strong season may be the start of him being in the conversation for years to come. Even Barkov, who doesn’t rate as well defensively as a whole, does the little things right enough to find himself in the conversation.

The exact order, and finalists, will be decided based on the perception and interpretation of the trophy. The Selke’s become a two-way award to adapt today’s game that emphasizes turning defense into offense. How that defense is measured is where the conversation has to keep evolving so the best shutdown forwards with an offensive spark can be adequately pinpointed each season.

How should the Selke Trophy be defined and who should be leading the race?

The Selke's become a two-way award to adapt today’s game that emphasizes turning defense into offense.

theathletic.com

 

[Hisch13r]

Marner came in 3rd, he got a lot of votes.

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I wouldn’t count out Stone if he can stay healthy.

While (some) Vancouver fans can be annoying, they aren’t wrong about Pettersson’s defense, if/when the Canucks are better he’ll be a candidate.

Spoiler: From an April 2023 Athletic article:

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Vs. Final Voting
1) Bergeron 1st 1914 (187-4-2-2-0)
2) Hischier 2nd 804 (3-68-38-28-24)
3) Kopitar 5th 428 (2-24-28-29-13)
4) Crosby 12th 23 (0-1-0-4-4)
5) Backlund 6th 322 (0-15-22-27-26)
6) Zibanejad 16th 16 (0-0-2-1-3)
7) Barkov 8th 142 (0-10-7-9-10)
8) Lindholm 10th 36 (0-1-4-3-0)
9) Staal 4th 429 (1-36-15-23-23)
10) Stephenson t-30 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
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1) Bergeron 1st 1914 (187-4-2-2-0)
2) Backlund 6th 322 (0-15-22-27-26)
3) Compher 13th 23 (0-0-1-4-6)
4) Cates 15th 19 (0-1-1-1-4)
5) Eriksson Ek 9th 128 (0-4-10-8-26)
6) Hischier 2nd 804 (3-68-38-28-24)
7) Kopitar 5th 428 (2-24-28-29-13)
8) Marner 3rd 480 (3-21-39-27-27)
9) Kreider No Votes
10) Gourde 23rd 7 (0-0-0-2-1)
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1) Bergeron 1st 1914 (187-4-2-2-0)
2) Hischier 2nd 804 (3-68-38-28-24)
3) Backlund 6th 322 (0-15-22-27-26)
4) Marner 3rd 480 (3-21-39-27-27)
5) Petterson 7th 163 (0-6-15-12-10)
6) Aho 28th 5 (0-0-0-1-2)
7) Kreider No Votes
8) Kopitar 5th 428 (2-24-28-29-13)
9) Eriksson Ek 9th 128 (0-4-10-8-26)
10) Barkov 8th 142 (0-10-7-9-10)
Note: This last list ended up being the closest, which make sense because the top vote getters still need to be on a good team and score.

This list only missed that voters liked Staal better, his rep as a premier shutdown center put him over Aho, and voters don’t care about Kreider. (Not sure why Dom’s model went ga ga over him either but whatever.)

The end of that article:

How should the Selke Trophy be defined and who should be leading the race?

The Selke's become a two-way award to adapt today’s game that emphasizes turning defense into offense.

theathletic.com

I would count out Stone for that reason lol

 

[Aurinko]

who would Hischiers biggest competition for Selke be now that Bergeron is retired?

ive read Barkov and Eriksson Ek..

Marner i was surprised had some votes this year!

Eriksson Ek is simply amazing how solid he is. Hasn't had a bad season in 5 years and zero reward. Would be nice to see Hischier & EK there. He is a bit slow, but so are 50%+ of the players on the list, compete level is above everyone else.

 

[Guadana]

 

[britdevil]

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