Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II

[devilsblood]

Has Casey ever played on the left side? That might help eventually.

I feel that is only a light benefit. Will only be used in pinch.

 

[Mgd31]

I don't really have interest in a Parise or even Henrique reunion.

Yea they could probably help us, but nah. Just tired of these type of things.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

I am assuming Lazar is taking that final LW spot permanently?

Ideally, Lazar should not be in the plans to be a regular forward in the lineup if all healthy. He's a 13th fwd that slides into the lineup when an injury arrives.

 

[SKNJD9]

I'd take Zach back in a heart beat to play with Mikey and Bass, mainly just because I'm not very high on Lazar or Foote

 

[Devs3cups]

 

[Eggtimer]

Curious to see where Seamus Casey fits in the management’s plans.

There’s certainly a clog on the right side right now and he’s a few years away, but he’s a very good player. He has NJD ties, so I’m not too worried he’ll look elsewhere, just wondering what the plan is with him.

Maybe if Dougie slows down we look at moving him and Casey takes his spot if Casey develops into a suitable replacement . Or maybe we trade Casey to fill a more important hole ?
If we do trade him , I don’t want to trade him before we see his true potential . He is the type of player that may become good enough that we have major regrets trading him. I’m not sure how I’d feel if we moved him in a package to get Helle . But we don’t really have that many pieces to offer besides him in a Helle deal .

 

[HBK27]

Will be interesting to see if they bring in another vet at F or leave spots open for Holtz, Foote, Thompson and/or Clarke to fill.

Currently have 11 forwards on the roster, so only 2-3 roster spots are up for grabs.

Clarke was very close to making it last year and you have to figure they want to give Holtz a decent shot otherwise you have to imagine trade rumors about him will start flying if he starts the season in Utica.

Have to believe Foote gets a spot otherwise they'll lose him on waivers. Not sure what the team's feeling is on Thompson - I think he might be lost to waivers, maybe even with Buffalo taking him considering Tage broke out at the same age.

Personally, I'd rather roll with the kids - we're already a very good team that should have no issue making the playoffs. Let them take their lumps during the season and hopefully a few of them step up and can be counted on in the playoffs and/or we add some reinforcements at the TDL.

 

[Goptor]

That was always the big one.

People were comparing it to the MLB wins record when he was approaching it.
Nobody will ever break his 125.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

Dat system though

 

[Devs3cups]

Dat system though

The thing with Marty is that even though he had a good defense in front of him for a big part of his career, he never had that big of a firepower offense either from what I recall. His margin for error was very small.

 

[Saugus]

That was always the big one.

People were comparing it to the MLB wins record when he was approaching it.
Nobody will ever break his 125.

Especially not with the steps the league has taken in the last decade or so to juice scoring. Getting a shutout is a much more difficult task than it used to be, even if you play behind a good defensive team.

You can never say that any record is totally unbreakable, but for hockey that might be the closest thing to it.

 

[Classic Devil]

It's much easier to do this sort of thing a few years ago when the Devils were way below the salary cap and so making low-risk bets on a young D wouldn't jeopardize anyone better, but we're no longer in that position. The Devils basically have already spent the upcoming cap increase on everything else - it's going to go to Mercer, Luke, and paying a goalie more money - that means minimizing a guy like Bahl's salary as much as possible, and hopefully replacing him with a player of similar cost when he gets too expensive.

We haven't seen much of Bahl away from Severson, by far the best partner he's likely to ever have on a third pairing. I like what I saw out of him last season but I'd be surprised if the Devils saw enough to commit to him.

I mean, Bahl is very likely to have Nemec as his partner on the third pairing, if not this year than next year. It would not at all be shocking if Nemec is significantly better than Severson.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

The thing with Marty is that even though he had a good defense in front of him for a big part of his career, he never had that big of a firepower offense either from what I recall. His margin for error was very small.

The thing with Marty was that he was basically an elite puck moving D man back there and killed plays far before they could ever develop. That was his greatness. He was a big part, if not the biggest part, of why he faced relatively few shots.

 

[My3Sons]

Interesting little poll here!

Meh. I'm sure the insecure desperate MTL fans will vote early and often even though it doesn't change reality. I think a similar poll could be who would you rather have on your football team, Daniel Jones or whoever the guy is who washes the uniforms for the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[Bleedred]

Especially not with the steps the league has taken in the last decade or so to juice scoring. Getting a shutout is a much more difficult task than it used to be, even if you play behind a good defensive team.

You can never say that any record is totally unbreakable, but for hockey that might be the closest thing to it.

I don't think his wins will be broken either, but it could be in a verrryyyyyy long time from now.

It will be a little bit easier now with the shootout. I think Marty himself had 40-something career shootout wins.

I never thought Fleury would pass Roy for second overall, but Fleury probably has like 70-something (just taking a shot in the dark with that number) shootout wins. Roy had zero, the shootout didn't exist yet.

 

[Devs3cups]

The thing with Marty was that he was basically an elite puck moving D man back there and killed plays far before they could ever develop. That was his greatness. He was a big part, if not the biggest part, of why he faced relatively few shots.

Very good point.

 

[MartyOwns]

parise? we actually have a good team now and somebody wants to sign his broken ass? when he’s turning 39 in a few weeks?

f*** him into the sun. he deserves to peter out in ny, giving sensible handjobs to lou until he retires. f***. him.

 

[JrFischer54]

That was always the big one.

People were comparing it to the MLB wins record when he was approaching it.
Nobody will ever break his 125.

this record will absolutely be broken it will probably be broken by the same goalie that will break his wins record. its just going to take the right situation of a (future) hof goalie falling into the start of a teams cup window.

no one thought the goals record would fall but it will and it just took not even a generation to do it. there will definitely be another marty in goal just needs to start his career out on the right team at the right time.

 

[JrFischer54]

I don't think his wins will be broken either, but it could be in a verrryyyyyy long time from now.

It will be a little bit easier now with the shootout. I think Marty himself had 40-something career shootout wins.

I never thought Fleury would pass Roy for second overall, but Fleury probably has like 70-something (just taking a shot in the dark with that number) shootout wins. Roy had zero, the shootout didn't exist yet.

you just proved in your own statement why the record will fall and it will be a lot sooner then you think. MAF isn't super close but it wasn't very far away either. with no labor stoppages the record will def fall to someone in the near future.

 

[Bleedred]

you just proved in your own statement why the record will fall and it will be a lot sooner then you think. MAF isn't super close but it wasn't very far away either. with no labor stoppages the record will def fall to someone in the near future.

I don't think it will happen in the near future.

MAF is still like over 150-some odd wins away and is 38 years old.

He didn't look like he had much gas left last year and is pretty washed up himself. Not Quick level washed up. I don't think anyone has been since maybe Barrasso or Vernon in the early 00's. But still fairly washed up in his own right.

I do remember a stat back in the 2011-2012 season that then-27 year old Fleury had almost as many wins as Brodeur had when he was 27. Fleury seems like he could pass Roy soon, depending how long it takes him to get another 10 or 12 wins or whatever it is. He turns 39 in November.

Brodeur passed Roy in March of 2009, just before he turned 37 years old. Brodeur hadn't yet missed that entire year lockout when he was 27 years old. MAF would wind up missing roughly half a season's worth of lockout in his 28 year old season.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

you just proved in your own statement why the record will fall and it will be a lot sooner then you think. MAF isn't super close but it wasn't very far away either. with no labor stoppages the record will def fall to someone in the near future.

There are less work horses each year, it's a tough one to break. You need to average 70+ games and with analytics, old goaltenders that are bad won't keep playing based on reputation.

 

[Triumph]

I mean, Bahl is very likely to have Nemec as his partner on the third pairing, if not this year than next year. It would not at all be shocking if Nemec is significantly better than Severson.

It would be shocking if he is better than him this coming season, or the season after. There's a reason why Columbus paid him all of that money - he's a really good defenseman.

 

[My3Sons]

I don't think it will happen in the near future.

MAF is still like over 150-some odd wins away and is 38 years old.

He didn't look like he had much gas left last year and is pretty washed up himself. Not Quick level washed up. I don't think anyone has been since maybe Barrasso or Vernon in the early 00's. But still fairly washed up in his own right.

I do remember a stat back in the 2011-2012 season that then-27 year old Fleury had almost as many wins as Brodeur had when he was 27. Fleury seems like he could pass Roy soon, depending how long it takes him to get another 10 or 12 wins or whatever it is. He turns 39 in November.

Brodeur passed Roy in March of 2009, just before he turned 37 years old. Brodeur hadn't yet missed that entire year lockout when he was 27 years old. MAF would wind up missing roughly half a season's worth of lockout in his 28 year old season.

I'm still disappointed Brodeur didn't get 700 wins with NJ. I'd have settled for him getting to 699 with StL and coming back for one more kick at the can with the understanding he retires after win 700 and they'd only start him at home games.

 

[JrFischer54]

I don't think it will happen in the near future.

MAF is still like over 150-some odd wins away and is 38 years old.

He didn't look like he had much gas left last year and is pretty washed up himself. Not Quick level washed up. I don't think anyone has been since maybe Barrasso or Vernon in the early 00's. But still fairly washed up in his own right.

I do remember a stat back in the 2011-2012 season that then-27 year old Fleury had almost as many wins as Brodeur had when he was 27. Fleury seems like he could pass Roy soon, depending how long it takes him to get another 10 or 12 wins or whatever it is. He turns 39 in November.

Brodeur passed Roy in March of 2009, just before he turned 37 years old. Brodeur hadn't yet missed that entire year lockout when he was 27 years old. MAF would wind up missing roughly half a season's worth of lockout in his 28 year old season.

I’m not saying fluery is going to break it but if he can be 150 wins away and still playing. All it will take is a goalie who’s a little better than him and little healthier and he will be close. Fluery is “this close” and he’s played like 300 fewer games which I think is pretty impressive. Considering players are more inclined to go ufa I can see a goalie in the future jumping ship from a contender to contender and always be on a good team

 

[Bleedred]

I'm still disappointed Brodeur didn't get 700 wins with NJ. I'd have settled for him getting to 699 with StL and coming back for one more kick at the can with the understanding he retires after win 700 and they'd only start him at home games.

That would have been a sideshow circus act IMO.

Like I said yesterday on the topic, I would have taken him back around December of 2014/January of 2015 when that season was already lost, to play out the remainder of the year. He probably wouldn't have gotten to 700 under those circumstances, as both he and the team were pretty bad. He would have had to play a lot of the team's remaining games to really have a shot at 700 that year.

And this is also if he hadn't already signed with St. Louis.

By the time he signed with St. Louis, I was at the ''Why even bother?'' stage. It would have felt even weirder seeing him come back to play here AFTER he had played somewhere else anyway than it was to see him actually play somewhere else.

And seeing him play somewhere else was still pretty weird in itself.