Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II

[devilsblood]

From 2015-2016 season.

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meh. Metthews is better. With support of Marner but without support of Makar and Rantanen. Metthews won Hart, MacK could even win Conn Smythe.

Matthews might be better overall, but, as the chart shows, he's not a better point producer.

The chart also shows Marner is a better point producer then Rantanen.

Mac had multiple 90 point seasons before Makar arrived in Colorado.

 

[Guadana]

Matthews might be better overall, but, as the chart shows, he's not a better point producer.

The chart also shows Marner is a better point producer then Rantanen.

Mac had multiple 90 point seasons before Makar arrived in Colorado.

Metthews has multiple productive seasons without Makar overall.
Marner is more productive because he has better center)

 

[Classic Devil]

Curious that Bahl hasn't been signed yet. I wonder if there's any talk of doing a long-term contract and trying to get him cost-controlled for a lot of years.

 

[Classic Devil]

I know it’s still “early” in the off-season, but I’m a little shocked that Jesper Boqvist hasn’t signed anywhere. He seems a no brainer for a rebuilding team. At this point, I’d like him back here.

Anyone heard anything about his plans?

Boqvist's problem is he doesn't really bring anything that stands out. He's decent offensively, but not in a way that could make him top-6. He's decent defensively, but not in a way that would make him a shutdown winger. He doesn't shy away from physical play, but he's not physical. He's just ... decent filler. Every team should want him as their 13th or 14th forward, but that's all, and he's a bit pricey for that role.

 

[devilsblood]

Metthews has multiple productive seasons without Makar overall.
Marner is more productive because he has better center)

Not sure what the first point is here.

The second one is chicken or egg, but given it is your argument that the linemates are helping support the production of the respective centers, you seem to want to play both sides.

 

[Guadana]

Not sure what the first point is here.

The second one is chicken or egg, but given it is your argument that the linemates are helping support the production of the respective centers, you seem to want to play both sides.

First points is about Metthews is playing without Makar every day of his career.
Overall I like both players, Metthews is more about scoring, especially because he has good playmaking winger, and he is better two way center. Answer isn`t obvious like between Pelley and Crosby, but for now I can`t put MacK higher. But I believe avs fans should be more happy with him than tml fans with Metthews.

 

[devilsblood]

First points is about Metthews is playing without Makar every day of his career.
Overall I like both players, Metthews is more about scoring, especially because he has good playmaking winger, and he is better two way center. Answer isn`t obvious like between Pelley and Crosby, but for now I can`t put MacK higher. But I believe avs fans should be more happy with him than tml fans with Metthews.

And my point was Mac produced without Makar so it's not as though Makar is pumping up Mac's #'s.

I don't really have an opinion on who is better. I'd probably take Mac due to his speed, and playoff production. But if we are looking at just producution, Mac has an edge.

 

[devilsblood]

Boqvist's problem is he doesn't really bring anything that stands out. He's decent offensively, but not in a way that could make him top-6. He's decent defensively, but not in a way that would make him a shutdown winger. He doesn't shy away from physical play, but he's not physical. He's just ... decent filler. Every team should want him as their 13th or 14th forward, but that's all, and he's a bit pricey for that role.

His skating stands out. I do agree it hasn't translated enough yet,

Issues I see are not enough shots, not enough assists, and lack of physicality.

But if I were a young team with some open spots in the lineup I'd definitely give him a go as I think there is some legit upside potential there. I'd still like to see him back on the cheap, but that looks pretty doubtful at this point.

 

[Triumph]

Curious that Bahl hasn't been signed yet. I wonder if there's any talk of doing a long-term contract and trying to get him cost-controlled for a lot of years.

I don't think they do will do that. I think they go one year on him at near-minimum salary - I don't think he will get 7 figures. Maybe $850k.

 

[Classic Devil]

I don't think they do will do that. I think they go one year on him at near-minimum salary - I don't think he will get 7 figures. Maybe $850k.

I would be pretty surprised if his salary is so low. He had an excellent season.

 

[Saugus]

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[Guadana]

And my point was Mac produced without Makar so it's not as though Makar is pumping up Mac's #'s.

I don't really have an opinion on who is better. I'd probably take Mac due to his speed, and playoff production. But if we are looking at just producution, Mac has an edge.

There are no edge. Makar is there. Metthews scored 60 goals without Makar. He played his full career wthout Makar, not only two good productive seasons. I like Stanley Cup more than anything but(if we exaggerate) C Lemieux and Palat aren`t better players. Metthews is and his Hart Trophy is a good indicator.

 

[jkrdevil]

I would be pretty surprised if his salary is so low. He had an excellent season.

No arbitration rights, they are kind of squeezed at the cap if they was to do a goalie upgrade, and I’m not sure the organization views him as a long term piece. I think Triumph is right about the number.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

I would like Bahl to get a 2 year deal, then in two years when he and Hughes need new deals you figure out if you extend or trade him based on the team needs and where Seigenthaler is at.

 

[devilsblood]

There are no edge. Makar is there. Metthews scored 60 goals without Makar. He played his full career wthout Makar, not only two good productive seasons. I like Stanley Cup more than anything but(if we exaggerate) C Lemieux and Palat aren`t better players. Metthews is and his Hart Trophy is a good indicator.

Mac more 90+ point seasons without Makar then Matthews does.

Matthews Hart win indicates he was better that season. Not that he's better overall. Which isn't even my argument anyways.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I don't see any way Bahl cracks $1 million

 

[devilsblood]

I would be pretty surprised if his salary is so low. He had an excellent season.

Excellent sounds like a stretch, but $850 does sound cheap. Though, admittedly, I'm not well versed in the contract game.

 

[Classic Devil]

No arbitration rights, they are kind of squeezed at the cap if they was to do a goalie upgrade, and I’m not sure the organization views him as a long term piece. I think Triumph is right about the number.

I would be pretty surprised if the organization doesn't view him as a long-term piece, but I suppose we might want to see more before making a commitment. I'd be tempted to go for a long-term contract at at ~$2M AAV, though, because I think that'll be a bargain in two years.

 

[My3Sons]

If the team offers only one year on Bahl, I'm sure he'd end up at more or less whatever the team offered since he has no arbitration rights and is unlikely to garner a big RFA offer sheet that NJ wouldn't match, but why not offer him the extra $150k and develop some good will? Is the team so strapped they really need that $150K? If they do give him the bump to $1 mil even can't they just send one of the young guys down to Utica on paper for a couple of days here and there to make it up?

 

[guitarguyvic]

I would easily take MacK over Matthews if I was starting a team from scratch and had to pick just one.

Matthews is a supremely talented goal scorer, but he hasn't shown the same level of ability to take over a game like MacK has, especially in the playoffs.

 

[Bleedred]

I don't see any way Bahl cracks $1 million

I think he may, but not by much more than that at all.

I feel like a lot of people went high on the guesses for McLeod and Bastian. Considerably higher than what they did get.

 

[FinnishDevil]

DFD dont get paid anymore. I wouldnt be surprised if he got a two-year deal under or just at 1 million.

 

[Saugus]

I would be pretty surprised if the organization doesn't view him as a long-term piece, but I suppose we might want to see more before making a commitment. I'd be tempted to go for a long-term contract at at ~$2M AAV, though, because I think that'll be a bargain in two years.

I think this is correct. Bahl had a good season where he forced his way into the lineup by being better at his role than Smith, then benefited from his other main competition (Okhotyuk) getting traded.

Management may want to see more than just that one good season before committing serious money to him, but conversely they might be interested in locking him into a smaller cap number now. Personally, I would take the gamble and give him some term.

 

[MartyOwns]

my vote between mackinnon and matthews is f*** both of them

 

[devilsblood]

I think this is correct. Bahl had a good season where he forced his way into the lineup by being better at his role than Smith, then benefited from his other main competition (Okhotyuk) getting traded.

Management may want to see more than just that one good season before committing serious money to him, but conversely they might be interested in locking him into a smaller cap number now. Personally, I would take the gamble and give him some term.

Should be noted he outplayed OK, which I think played into OK being traded.

If OK outplayed Bahl, it may have been Bahl that was going the other way.