Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II

[Nubmer6]

40 wins is good enough most years to lead the NHL in wins.

Even if we say a goalie wins 42 games a season, it would take them ~16.5 seasons to get to Marty’s record.

That assumes the goalie probably leads the league in wins all 16.5 seasons.

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For me, the record is pretty safe. Goalies don’t play enough games to win enough to get to Marty’s level. There would need to be a change back to goalies playing 65+ games and I don’t see that happening anytime soon, if ever.

I think Marty had the benefit of playing a hybrid style which led to a very long career. I think the butterfly is a lot harder in the body, probably leading to shorter careers.

 

[Billdo]

The fact that a goalie like fluery imo can come close to the record just shows how in reach it is

He isn't close though.

 

[Better Call Sal]

Goalies don’t play as much as they used to and are more inconsistent than ever. Teams are more reliant on tandems than they previously had.

If Marty’s records ever fall, it’ll be a miracle. Over a 14 year period, including his injury season in 08-09, he averaged 70 games played per season.

Wins, you never know, but I can't see the shutout record ever being broken. It's a much different game.

 

[MauDevils]

@StevenToddIves fav’s rankings

The Flyers with a top 3 prospect pool?

 

[JrFischer54]

He isn't close though.

Lol what would be close for you

 

[TrufleShufle]

Lol what would be close for you

5 1/2 ft.

 

[Devilsfan992]

@StevenToddIves fav’s rankings

Goalie rank of 4 is interesting. Does it include Schmid?

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

The Flyers with a top 3 prospect pool?

They were 1st in 2018 too, I think. I do like their prospects way more now than then.

 

[SKNJD9]

Henrique could potentially be fine, but Parise is about to turn 39 and probably overachieved last year. He'll also be the third oldest player in the league behind Giordano and Pavelski.

And to think that just 2 seasons ago he was the third oldest player on his team haha.



I honestly don't believe the intent for Lazar is to be an every night player. They certainly didn't use him as such down the stretch and into the playoffs. He was lost to injury like a minute after he got here, so that probably cost him some games played, but even when he was healthy he was scratched his fair share.

Lazar also got hurt again immediately after coming back, he did a interview a week or so ago, he sprained his MCL when he first got here. Came back and immediately sprained the other MCL. IDK what the plan is for him once healthy

 

[Nubmer6]

IDK what the plan is for him once healthy

I expect him to split time with Foote on 4LW.

 

[MasterofGrond]

I think lazar is just gonna be first off the bench when somebody gets hurt or guys get maintenance nights.

Or I guess play full time if the rookies don’t show out sufficiently, but I think there’s gonna be another body picked up before season start, personally.

 

[Aurinko]

For Boston, it is time. By now it's obvious that as long as Bergeron plays, they are competitive, but with that much red in the sheet the pit will only deepen the longer they wait for retooling. They are missing centers too, so it is actually important to keep Bergeron in the system one way or another.

Columbus should take a giant leap this year. The fact that they managed to have a bad season might have been a blessing for them, since now they look moderately stacked with bright future.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

He took 165 faceoffs so thought maybe he did.

He played mainly wing but did have spot 3C duty on occasions. Lindy loves to change up the lines.

I can see Mercer and Erik Huala flipping spots in the lineup on occasions. Mercer usually plays on Jack Hughes line and Jack is very poor on faceoffs. So both Mercer and Huala often takes faceoffs for Jack.

 

[Aurinko]

He played mainly wing but did have spot 3C duty on occasions. Lindy loves to change up the lines.

I can see Mercer and Erik Huala flipping spots in the lineup on occasions. Mercer usually plays on Jack Hughes line and Jack is very poor on faceoffs. So both Mercer and Huala often takes faceoffs for Jack.

Getting faceoffs together takes a lot of time.

McDavid has been working hard on it but still has a long way to go.

 

[Devs3cups]

He’s probably “wondering” again.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Even half retained, I wouldn’t give up anything of value for Gibson.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Gibson is trash, want nothing to do with that.

 

[Nocashstyle]

Definitely an interesting quote. Further evidence that Fitz is trying to do something for a goalie.

 

[Ripshot 43]

Definitely an interesting quote. Further evidence that Fitz is trying to do something for a goalie.

Clearly he’s talking about Akiras offseason workouts

 

[My3Sons]

Definitely an interesting quote. Further evidence that Fitz is trying to do something for a goalie.

I hope it's not Gibson. He had an excellent stretch all the way up to 2019 but it's been nothing special since then and he's 29 so it's hard to see him getting better.

 

[NJDevs26]

I’d be floored if it was anyone with term hence all the Helle rumors. You can’t tell me Schmid didn’t do enough between the regular season, the Rangers series and Game 5 against Carolina to show he could be a long term answer, but with his age and still relative lack of experience them wanting a buffer for a year wouldn’t surprise me. Clearly they’re looking for at least that.

 

[Bleedred]

I hope it's not Gibson. He had an excellent stretch all the way up to 2019 but it's been nothing special since then and he's 29 so it's hard to see him getting better.

At best, he’s a league average goalie stuck on the worst team/worst defensive team in the league, on a bad contract.

At worst he’s late 2010’s/turn of the decade Cory Schneider, only about 4 years younger than Cory was after his fourth decline season.

Either way, there’s been years where he’s been outplayed by Stolarz and an old Ryan Miller behind the same team, albeit in much smaler sample size of games played than his goalie partner.

Best case scenario is he’s not as bad as his performance in Anaheim suggests he is, but either way he’s still on a bad contract and would be a net negative on it.

Even if they retain a significant percentage, he’s still signed until 2027.

 

[My3Sons]

At best, he’s a league average goalie stuck on the worst team/worst defensive team in the league, on a bad contract.

At worst he’s late 2010’s/turn of the decade Cory Schneider, only about 4 years younger than Cory was after his fourth decline season.

Either way, there’s been years where he’s been outplayed by Stolarz and an old Ryan Miller behind the same team, albeit in much smaler sample size of games played than his goalie partner.

Best case scenario is he’s not as bad as his performance in Anaheim suggests he is, but either way he’s still on a bad contract and would be a net negative on it.

Even if they retain a significant percentage, he’s still signed until 2027.

He smells like the goalie equivalent of Anderson in MTL. I'd pass on him.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

Replacing Mac with Gibson would be a big net negative IMO, at his contract.

 

[Devs3cups]

I’m not high on Gibson and his contract at all, but there’s a part of me that is curious to see how he’d do in front of a solid team.

There’s a motivation aspect of playing in front of a bad team for years that I don’t think is being discussed enough. I think it could definitely have an effect. Maybe going to a good team brings back some extra motivation for him.

With that said, at that contract, I don’t think it’s worth the risk. Pass.