Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023-24 season part III

[njdevil26]

Was listening to 32T this morning and was just thinking the same thing. EF brought the Devils for a bit but it went right back to yesterday’s game. Ugh.

The Rangers get special treatment and always will.

They got a goal horn and song as the away team yesterday which the Flyers did not get Saturday.

 

[My3Sons]

@Bleedred and @My3Sons are like, the number one and number two draft picks of this place tbh.

Or more like the John Gustafson & Max Goldman. But that's part of the charm.

Those are kind words but I cannot hold a candle to @Bleedred who is really more like three or four posters depending upon which alternate personalities make an appearance. I'm just the resident dad. it's an important role but Bleed is in a whole different stratosphere. I don't know who those names are that you reference however. Now you will have to excuse me in a few minutes I have to go for some bloodwork. Man I hope my cholesterol is down but at my age it's probably doubled.

 

[guitarguyvic]

You don’t even need to pull the official stats to see that comeback wins are more common now. If you’ve watched hockey for more than a decade you can easily tell just anecdotally. 15 years ago there were maybe 1-2 games per season where the devils either blew a multi goal lead or came back from one. Now it happens many more teams per year. Around the league, a team down a couple of goals will came back to win or at least get it to OT like every other night. This is not something that was happening back when the devils were playing in the meadowlands.

 

[Andre Palot]

Those are kind words but I cannot hold a candle to @Bleedred who is really more like three or four posters depending upon which alternate personalities make an appearance. I'm just the resident dad. it's an important role but Bleed is in a whole different stratosphere. I don't know who those names are that you reference however. Now you will have to excuse me in a few minutes I have to go for some bloodwork. Man I hope my cholesterol is down but at my age it's probably doubled.

Jack Lemmon and Walter Matthau in Grumpy Old Men. Lol.

 

[OlfactoryHughes]

You don’t even need to pull the official stats to see that comeback wins are more common now. If you’ve watched hockey for more than a decade you can easily tell just anecdotally. 15 years ago there were maybe 1-2 games per season where the devils either blew a multi goal lead or came back from one. Now it happens many more teams per year. Around the league, a team down a couple of goals will came back to win or at least get it to OT like every other night. This is not something that was happening back when the devils were playing in the meadowlands.

I can tell there are more comeback wins now based on the uneasy feeling I get from being up by only* 3 goals. In the 90’s that was a lock….. now you can feel the impending doom, give up the next goal and the stress multiplies. Was worried it was happening at MetLife until that second Nico goal. … boneless is safe. It is entertaining at least

 

[Saugus]

I don’t think anyone gives a shit about these games but the fanbases that are a part of them. They were a smashing success in that regard. It was a great weekend.

The first few Winter Classics were a novelty and other fanbases would tune in for that. Now, it's just a regular season game like any other, just played outdoors.

It hits different for us, and I'm sure it's a fun experience for the players, but you're right that nobody else cares that much.

 

[JimEIV]

Nevermind

 

[JimEIV]

This is because you are ignoring loser points. Sure, teams almost never lose in regulation when up 2 in the 3rd, but they sure can lose in OT, and they do. The Islanders had a 2 goal lead in the 3rd period and lost in OT just yesterday.

It is not freaking impossible to win a game down 3 goals in the 3rd. It is almost impossible to do it in regulation, which is why this isn't showing up for you.

In 1998, there were 56 wins by a team trailing going in to the 3rd period, out of a total of 1066 games total. There were also 98 ties. This season, there've been 115 wins by a team trailing in the 3rd period, out of a total of ~864 games. The scoring landscape has changed and also OT/shootouts eliminate ties, but comebacks happen far more frequently now even still.

Loser points have nothing to do with anything I ever said. "Winning" when trailing was the topic.... I'm not ignoring them....was just never apart of the conversation.

Comebacks, loser points, ties ...you introduced a whole lot new bullshit that was never a part of the conversation because you are f***ing wrong. Winning when trailing by 3 going into the 3rd period is a f***ing impossibility . That was the topic.

And making it 4-3 is not goal support when you were down 3-0.

And those 3 goals are bullshit garbage goals that padded stats to a game that was lost before the period began. That was the topic.

Like I said I'd be shocked if there were 10 down by 3 wins going to third all season. Certainly not 20.

20 wins in 2624 games played is less than 1%. .7 to be exact....that an impossibility.

50 wins in 2624 games is less than 2%

 

[devilsblood]

The Rangers get special treatment and always will.

They got a goal horn and song as the away team yesterday which the Flyers did not get Saturday.

Didn’t realize that. Such BS

 

[devilsblood]

Loser points have nothing to do with anything I ever said. "Winning" when trailing was the topic.... I'm not ignoring them....was just never apart of the conversation.

Comebacks, loser points, ties ...you introduced a whole lot new bullshit that was never a part of the conversation because you are f***ing wrong. Winning when trailing by 3 going into the 3rd period is a f***ing impossibility . That was the topic.

And making it 4-3 is not goal support when you were down 3-0.

And those 3 goals are bullshit garbage goals that padded stats to a game that was lost before the period began. That was the topic.

I thought it was trailing by 2 which made those third period goals meaningless?

 

[MadDevil]

So the moral of the story is if you're down by more than 2 goals, just give up because even if you score to make it a 1 or 2 goal game those goals don't really count.

 

[JimEIV]

I thought it was trailing by 2 which made those third period goals meaningless?

We can do down by 2...it's probably a little less impossible but I'm sure it's still a less than 10% winning chance. And probably more like 5%

 

[theoptimist]

Was the last win a springboard? We'll just have to wait and see

 

[Cheddabombs]

 

[JimEIV]

Was the last win a springboard? We'll just have to wait and see

I think Vitek's 1-0 loss was the springboard. They figured the Defense part out... they just have to figure out how to score and play defense at the same time...

Remember the game where the worst goalie in the league that gets massive goal support didn't allow a goal in regulation and lost. Was just a few days ago.

And people are going to make believe it was Daws that changed the course of events.

 

[NjDevsRR]

You know, sometimes those “meaningless” goals turn into Wins.

 

[Zacha37]

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Would love him back in our lineup. I’ve been a fan of his game in his stints here.

 

[JK3]

Oh these last three pages.

 

[Guttersniped]

We can do down by 2...it's probably a little less impossible but I'm sure it's still a less than 10% winning chance. And probably more like 5%

You called every goal meaningless if we entered the second period down by two, even if we made it a 1 goal margin with most of the period left.

To you the San Jose game was out of reach (and not lost by god awful goaltending I guess).

vs SJS 3-6 Dec 1
Entered 3rd: 1-3. = 2 meaningless
Scored x2
2-3 (2:56)
3-4 (12:58)

What a meaningless goal that 1st one was, how could we ever hope to tie and then win vs SJ with only 17:04 minutes left in the 3rd.

And our goalies f***ing us out of loser points is a problem, if they could have kept us in some of these comebacks we would be in playoff spot now.

Vanecek has 12 Quality Starts and 17 wins, the team carried his ass.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Siegs and Nolan Foote practicing

 

[JimEIV]

You called every goal meaningless if we entered the second period down by two, even if we made it a 1 goal margin with most of the period left.

To you the San Jose game was out of reach (and not lost by god awful goaltending I guess).

vs SJS 3-6 Dec 1
Entered 3rd: 1-3. = 2 meaningless
Scored x2
2-3 (2:56)
3-4 (12:58)

What a meaningless goal that 1st one was, how could we ever hope to tie and then win vs SJ with only 17:04 minutes left in the 3rd.

And our goalies f***ing us out of loser points is a problem, if they could have kept us in some of these comebacks we would be in playoff spot now.

Vanecek has 12 Quality Starts and 17 wins, the team carried his ass.

Ok. Was there a point?

You know, sometimes those “meaningless” goals turn into Wins.

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[Guttersniped]

Ok. Was there a point?

That’s not a meaningless goal? Not all 2 goal leads are the same so rambling about “10% chance to win” is the meaningless part.

There were some winnable games on that list of 12, which made some of those goals not meaningless in any real sense.

That San Jose game is an example of you being wrong. That’s the point. You were wrong.

 

[Cheddabombs]

This whole pictures not working thing is greatly impacting my ability to meme

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Marino sick but expected to travel to Washington

 

[NjDevsRR]

This whole pictures not working thing is greatly impacting my ability to meme

My purpose in life has been stolen