Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023-24 season part III

[devilsblood]

All Star break the team made obvious defensive changes and those few games have changed his stats significantly.... because it was ALWAYS the team

People keep saying this, but I keep saying, have we not seen the saves Daws' has made these past couple games?

Kid's been great. Last night he was huge in the 2nd period.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

It's not only funny that Vitek and Schmid's numbers are so close this year their drop from last year is almost identical too.

Vitek .911 to .890 -.021
Akira .922 to .893. -.029

Probably rebound control...

Maybe McKenzie stole all their rebound control because he bucks the trend
and see his SV% increase by .006. Hardly different but higher than he had the previous 3 years here. Go figure.

Interesting hypothesis. If only we could see how Schmid is doing in another league and compare his stats to other goalies on that roster or his own AHL stats from previous seasons.

 

[NjDevsRR]

I love the guy but it’s obvious he hasn’t been good. Anyone with a pair of eyeballs can see the obscene amount of poor rebounds he spits out. And those long range wrist shots that go under the glove have been backbreakers all season when they are routine shots.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Literally can’t stop watching this lmao love how PK has become a Devil at heart

 

[devilsblood]

I love the guy but it’s obvious he hasn’t been good. Anyone with a pair of eyeballs can see the obscene amount of poor rebounds he spits out. And those long range wrist shots that go under the glove have been backbreakers all season when they are routine shots.

In addition to the rebounds, for awhile he wasn't letting in softies, just wasn't making big saves.

Then he started letting in softies too.

Daws, especially this last couple hasn't let in softies, but has also made huge saves.

I don't want to say anything definitive on his rebounds control, I'd say it's been better then Vitek, but I feel I'm shooting from the hip a little.

The big saves are blatantly obvious.

 

[JimEIV]

Interesting hypothesis. If only we could see how Schmid is doing in another league and compare his stats to other goalies on that roster or his own AHL stats from previous seasons.

AHL is more complicated to compare players on the same roster ... The goalie getting the 3rd game of 3 game in 4 nights with B team bottom 6 and extra D didn't have the same team in front of him as the first goalie.

It's not like the NHL where if healthy the same 6 Dmen and same 12 forwards play every game (mostly). They rotate guys in an out all the time

 

[Guttersniped]

We score meaningless goals in losses A LOT.

You go into the 3rd down 3-1, 4-1, or down by two in any combination....you have already lost that game statistically. But we almost always finish the game getting a little closer. Those are absolutely meaningless goals..and we do it all the time.

We’ve scored goals in 3rd period in 37 games out of 54. (So we didn’t do that in 17 games.)

Out of those 37, 24 were wins and 13 were losses.

Spoiler: 12 losses were regulation

We’re the first team in all scores listed.

vs FLA 3-4 Oct 16
Entered 3rd: 0-3
Scored x3
1-4 (3:35)
2-4 (8:51)
3-4 (17:37)

vs WSH 2-4 Nov 10
Entered 3rd: 0-3
Scored x2
1-3 (7:13)
2-3 (9:12)

@ WPG 3-6 Nov 14
Entered 3rd: 2-3
Scored x1
3-5 (14:17)

vs NYR 3-5 Nov 18
Entered 3rd: 2-2
Scored x1
3-2 (1:17)

vs SJS 3-6 Dec 1
Entered 3rd: 1-3
Scored x2
2-3 (2:56)
3-4 (12:58)

@ EDM 1-3 Dec 10
Entered 3rd: 0-2
Scored x1
1-3 (4:53)

vs VAN 4-6 Jan 6
Entered 3rd: 2-4
Scored x2
3-5 (11:07)
4-5 (12:54)

vs MTL 2-3 Jan 17
Entered 3rd: 0-2
Scored x2
1-2 (0:47)
2-2 (1:38)

vs DAL 2-6 Jan 20
Entered 3rd: 0-4
Scored x2
1-6 (13:15)
2-6 (19:00)

@ CAR 2-3 Jan 25
Entered 3rd: 0-3
Scored x2
1-3 (5:25)
2-3 (19:57)

@ TBL 3-6 Jan 27
Entered 3rd: 0-2
Scored x3
1-2 (2:49)
2-3 (7:29)
3-4 (17:22)

vs CGY 3-5 Feb 8
Entered 3rd: 1-2
Scored x2
2-3 (4:02)
3-4 (13:46)

One was an OT loss
@ TBL 3-4 Jan 11
Entered 3rd: 2-3
Scored x1
3-3 (3:53)

How many of the 12 regulation losses have “meaningless” goals?

There’s a couple of obvious ones where we were never close or the goal was at the very end like Dallas or the Canes.

But we also got within 1 goal, with a good amount time left, in several games plus there’s a blown lead and tie as well.

Spoiler: Our 7 3rd period comebacks

vs NYI Nov 28 5-4
Entered 3rd: 2-4
Scored x3
3-4 (5:08)
4-4 (11:10)
5-4 (19:37)

vs BOS Dec 13 2-1 OT
Entered 3rd: 0-1
Scored x1
1-1 (2:34)

vs DET Dec 23 3-2
Entered 3rd: 1-2
Scored x2
2-2 (2:46)
3-2 (12:45)

vs CBJ Dec 27 4-3 OT
Entered 3rd: 1-2
Scored x2
2-2 (15:51)
3-3 (18:35)

vs CHI Jan 5 4-2
Entered 3rd: 1-2
Scored x3
2-2 (5:41)
3-2 (11:56)
4-2 (19:33)

vs VGK Jan 22 6-5 OT
Entered 3rd: 4-5
Scored x1
5-5 (9:14)

@ NSH 4-2
Entered 3rd: 1-2
Scored x3
2-2 (2:16)
3-2 (14:44)
4-2 (19:21)

 

[Better Call Sal]

Literally can’t stop watching this lmao love how PK has become a Devil at heart

I love that he stays loyal to us. He definitely has love for this group.

 

[JimEIV]

We’ve scored goals in 3rd period in 37 games out of 54. (So we didn’t do that in 17 games.)

Out of those 37, 24 were wins and 13 were losses.

Spoiler: 12 losses were regulation

We’re the first team in all scores listed.

vs FLA 3-4 Oct 16
Entered 3rd: 0-3
Scored x3
1-4 (3:35)
2-4 (8:51)
3-4 (17:37)

vs WSH 2-4 Nov 10
Entered 3rd: 0-3
Scored x2
1-3 (7:13)
2-3 (9:12)

@ WPG 3-6 Nov 14
Entered 3rd: 2-3
Scored x1
3-5 (14:17)

vs NYR 3-5 Nov 18
Entered 3rd: 2-2
Scored x1
3-2 (1:17)

vs SJS 3-6 Dec 1
Entered 3rd: 1-3
Scored x2
2-3 (2:56)
3-4 (12:58)

@ EDM 1-3 Dec 10
Entered 3rd: 0-2
Scored x1
1-3 (4:53)

vs VAN 4-6 Jan 6
Entered 3rd: 2-4
Scored x2
3-5 (11:07)
4-5 (12:54)

vs MTL 2-3 Jan 17
Entered 3rd: 0-2
Scored x2
1-2 (0:47)
2-2 (1:38)

vs DAL 2-6 Jan 20
Entered 3rd: 0-4
Scored x2
1-6 (13:15)
2-6 (19:00)

@ CAR 2-3 Jan 25
Entered 3rd: 0-3
Scored x2
1-3 (5:25)
2-3 (19:57)

@ TBL 3-6 Jan 27
Entered 3rd: 0-2
Scored x3
1-2 (2:49)
2-3 (7:29)
3-4 (17:22)

vs CGY 3-5 Feb 8
Entered 3rd: 1-2
Scored x2
2-3 (4:02)
3-4 (13:46)

One was an OT loss
@ TBL 3-4 Jan 11
Entered 3rd: 2-3
Scored x1
3-3 (3:53)

How many of the 12 regulation losses have “meaningless” goals?

There’s a couple of obvious ones where we were never close or the goal was at the very end like Dallas or the Canes.

But we also got within 1 goal, with a good amount time left, in several games plus there’s a blown lead and tie as well.

Spoiler: Our 7 3rd period comebacks

vs NYI Nov 28 5-4
Entered 3rd: 2-4
Scored x3
3-4 (5:08)
4-4 (11:10)
5-4 (19:37)

vs BOS Dec 13 2-1 OT
Entered 3rd: 0-1
Scored x1
1-1 (2:34)

vs DET Dec 23 3-2
Entered 3rd: 1-2
Scored x2
2-2 (2:46)
3-2 (12:45)

vs CBJ Dec 27 4-3 OT
Entered 3rd: 1-2
Scored x2
2-2 (15:51)
3-3 (18:35)

vs CHI Jan 5 4-2
Entered 3rd: 1-2
Scored x3
2-2 (5:41)
3-2 (11:56)
4-2 (19:33)

vs VGK Jan 22 6-5 OT
Entered 3rd: 4-5
Scored x1
5-5 (9:14)

@ NSH 4-2
Entered 3rd: 1-2
Scored x3
2-2 (2:16)
3-2 (14:44)
4-2 (19:21)

Holy smokes....I didn't realize we scored that many meaningless goals....I get 14 meaningless goals ...those are goals scored when the contest is not in question

vs FLA 3-4 Oct 16. =3 meaningless
Entered 3rd: 0-3
Scored x3
1-4 (3:35)
2-4 (8:51)
3-4 (17:37)

vs WSH 2-4 Nov 10
Entered 3rd: 0-3. = 2 meaningless
Scored x2
1-3 (7:13)
2-3 (9:12)

@ WPG 3-6 Nov 14
Entered 3rd: 2-3
Scored x1
3-5 (14:17). = 1 meaningless

vs NYR 3-5 Nov 18
Entered 3rd: 2-2.
Scored x1
3-2 (1:17)

vs SJS 3-6 Dec 1
Entered 3rd: 1-3. = 2 meaningless
Scored x2
2-3 (2:56)
3-4 (12:58)

@ EDM 1-3 Dec 10
Entered 3rd: 0-2. = 1 meaningless
Scored x1
1-3 (4:53)

vs VAN 4-6 Jan 6
Entered 3rd: 2-4. = 2 meaningless
Scored x2
3-5 (11:07)
4-5 (12:54)

vs MTL 2-3 Jan 17
Entered 3rd: 0-2. 0 meaningless
Scored x2
1-2 (0:47)
2-2 (1:38)

vs DAL 2-6 Jan 20
Entered 3rd: 0-4. = 2 meaningless
Scored x2
1-6 (13:15)
2-6 (19:00)

@ CAR 2-3 Jan 25
Entered 3rd: 0-3. = 2 meaningless
Scored x2
1-3 (5:25)
2-3 (19:57)

@ TBL 3-6 Jan 27
Entered 3rd: 0-2. Made it 2-2 early but gave back quick = 1 meaningless
Scored x3
1-2 (2:49)
2-3 (7:29)
3-4 (17:22)

vs CGY 3-5 Feb 8
Entered 3rd: 1-2. 0 meaningless goals
Scored x2
2-3 (4:02)
3-4 (13:46)

One was an OT loss
@ TBL 3-4 Jan 11
Entered 3rd: 2-3. 0 meaningless goals
Scored x1
3-3 (3:53)

 

[NjDevsRR]

This is wild

 

[Guttersniped]

Holy smokes....I didn't realize we scored that many meaningless goals....I get 14 meaningless goals ...those are goals scored when the contest is not in question

vs FLA 3-4 Oct 16. =3 meaningless
Entered 3rd: 0-3
Scored x3
1-4 (3:35)
2-4 (8:51)
3-4 (17:37)

vs WSH 2-4 Nov 10
Entered 3rd: 0-3. = 2 meaningless
Scored x2
1-3 (7:13)
2-3 (9:12)

@ WPG 3-6 Nov 14
Entered 3rd: 2-3
Scored x1
3-5 (14:17). = 1 meaningless

vs NYR 3-5 Nov 18
Entered 3rd: 2-2.
Scored x1
3-2 (1:17)

vs SJS 3-6 Dec 1
Entered 3rd: 1-3. = 2 meaningless
Scored x2
2-3 (2:56)
3-4 (12:58)

@ EDM 1-3 Dec 10
Entered 3rd: 0-2. = 1 meaningless
Scored x1
1-3 (4:53)

vs VAN 4-6 Jan 6
Entered 3rd: 2-4. = 2 meaningless
Scored x2
3-5 (11:07)
4-5 (12:54)

vs MTL 2-3 Jan 17
Entered 3rd: 0-2. 0 meaningless
Scored x2
1-2 (0:47)
2-2 (1:38)

vs DAL 2-6 Jan 20
Entered 3rd: 0-4. = 2 meaningless
Scored x2
1-6 (13:15)
2-6 (19:00)

@ CAR 2-3 Jan 25
Entered 3rd: 0-3. = 2 meaningless
Scored x2
1-3 (5:25)
2-3 (19:57)

@ TBL 3-6 Jan 27
Entered 3rd: 0-2. Made it 2-2 early but gave back quick = 1 meaningless
Scored x3
1-2 (2:49)
2-3 (7:29)
3-4 (17:22)

vs CGY 3-5 Feb 8
Entered 3rd: 1-2. 0 meaningless goals
Scored x2
2-3 (4:02)
3-4 (13:46)

One was an OT loss
@ TBL 3-4 Jan 11
Entered 3rd: 2-3. 0 meaningless goals
Scored x1
3-3 (3:53)

Getting within 1 goal with 10:38 minutes left is meaningless? You think it’s impossible to tie that game up and get it to OT?

Ok.

 

[Billdo]

This is wild

A disgrace even.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Actually looking at moneypuck and I've given Schmid a bit too much credit. His stats are stinky too, just less stinky then Vitek.

But Vitek Goals Saved Above Expected is -11.1 which is 4th worst in the league for goalies with over 10 games. Schmid is -3.9 which is still really bad but and Daws currently sits at a +4.3.

Do that per 60, Vitek is 10th worst in the league at -.372. Schmid 12th worst at -.310 and Daws is 12th best in the league at +.382

 

[JimEIV]

Getting within 1 goal with 10:38 minutes left is meaningless? You think it’s impossible to tie that game up and get it to OT?

Ok.

Yes. Yes it is.

You go into the 3rd down 3-0....you already lost the game. Getting to 4-3 is freaking meaningless.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

AHL is more complicated to compare players on the same roster ... The goalie getting the 3rd game of 3 game in 4 nights with B team bottom 6 and extra D didn't have the same team in front of him as the first goalie.

It's not like the NHL where if healthy the same 6 Dmen and same 12 forwards play every game (mostly). They rotate guys in an out all the time

Right, so we can’t see his .885 and conclude maybe he’s just not playing well this year. If he was playing really well down there you definitely wouldn’t use that as evidence for your “argument” or whatever you could even call this.

 

[JimEIV]

Right, so we can’t see his .885 and conclude maybe he’s just not playing well this year. If he was playing really well down there you definitely wouldn’t use that as evidence for your “argument” or whatever you could even call this.

He may not be playing well and he may be playing worse this year

But all I'm saying is those minutes between the AHL goaltenders on the same team may not be all that equal as they could've played with vastly different players in front of them

 

[JimEIV]

Actually looking at moneypuck and I've given Schmid a bit too much credit. His stats are stinky too, just less stinky then Vitek.

But Vitek Goals Saved Above Expected is -11.1 which is 4th worst in the league for goalies with over 10 games. Schmid is -3.9 which is still really bad but and Daws currently sits at a +4.3.

Do that per 60, Vitek is 10th worst in the league at -.372. Schmid 12th worst at -.310 and Daws is 12th best in the league at +.382

10th worst and 12th worst are the same

Do Daws before the All Star break and you'll see all three of those were the same before they stopped the forwards from cheating.

 

[Guttersniped]

Yes. Yes it is.

You go into the 3rd down 3-0....you already lost the game. Getting to 4-3 is freaking meaningless.

I don’t agree, other teams don’t have all those OT/SO losses just because they blew leads. They’re from comebacks too.

Getting within one with half a period to score doesn’t seem meaningless to me.

Good to know you’re so confident about 3rd period leads though. Many posters here assume we’re losing after a late GA even if we still have the lead.

But even if we go by your count that’s 16 goals out of 183, that’s a lot to you? 8.7%?

You think that’s more than other seasons or teams?

I don’t.

 

[Triumph]

Yes. Yes it is.

You go into the 3rd down 3-0....you already lost the game. Getting to 4-3 is freaking meaningless.

Go back to 1998. Comebacks down 3-0 are rare but they are no longer near-impossible.

 

[Xirik]

I think we Nico Nico niiii-eeed to stop these goalie debates.

 

[JimEIV]

Go back to 1998. Comebacks down 3-0 are rare but they are no longer near-impossible.

You actually said this to me once before either last year or two years ago and I got you all the teams that have only have 1 or 2 losses when leading after two. Not by multiple goals either . Just leading.

I gave you an article from 2017 or 2018 where Pittsburgh had gone like 3 years without losing a game when leading after two. Not by by multiple goals, just leading after two.

I am sure Vancouver hasn't lost this season when leading after two. It's more than "rare" to win when down by 3 going into the 3rd it's freaking impossible. If it happens to non-bottom feeders more than 10 times a year I'd be shocked

I don’t agree, other teams don’t have all those OT/SO losses just because they blew leads. They’re from comebacks too.

Getting within one with half a period to score doesn’t seem meaningless to me.

Good to know you’re so confident about 3rd period leads though. Many posters here assume we’re losing after a late GA even if we still have the lead.

But even if we go by your count that’s 16 goals out of 183, that’s a lot to you? 8.7%?

You think that’s more than other seasons or teams?

I don’t.

They're not from down 2 or 3 goals going into 3rd comebacks

And yes 8.7 or 16 goals is a lot over 53 games.

 

[Billdo]

Some of yall are never going to learn, are you?

 

[glenwo2]

Sorry to interrupt our regularly scheduled "Devils Win, Let's argue" discussion but I just found this tagged on Bratt's instagram during Allstar weekend.

He still thinks of Zacha.

"You guys like Pavel Zacha? In Boston? Good player."

 

[Guttersniped]

You actually said this to me once before either last year or two years ago and I got you all the teams that have only have 1 or 2 losses when leading after two. Not by multiple goals either . Just leading.

I gave you an article from 2017 or 2018 where Pittsburgh had gone like 3 years without losing a game when leading after two. Not by by multiple goals, just leading after two.

I am sure Vancouver hasn't lost this season when leading after two. It's more than "rare" to win when down by 3 going into the 3rd it's freaking impossible. If it happens to non-bottom feeders more than 10 times a year I'd be shocked


They're not from down 2 or 3 goals going into 3rd comebacks

And yes 8.7 or 16 goals is a lot over 53 games.

I don’t even know what the point of this debate is, nor do I really care, I only jumped in because you kept referring to all the “meaningless goals” without having any facts.

That bugged me.

If you want to keep thinking all 16 are meaningless, and that 16 is a lot, knock yourself out.

 

[Bcap88]

I love that he stays loyal to us. He definitely has love for this group.

He’s like a proud parent watching his children grow

Lol