Post-Game Talk: Devils @ Rangers

[Edge]

staal was his partner for 2 seasons.

you dont think he has an informed opinion as to the kids character ?

i mean, many believed what faceless internet weasels wrote sitting in their basement as fact not that long ago.

Do you honestly believe ADA is being unfairly persecuted (again), and it’s that persecution that now has him looking for his fourth organization in 7 years, has resulted in a fight with a teammate, and has caused other teams do their research and conclude, “eh, not going there right now?”

 

[haveandare]

Gallant is a players coach who guys respond to on a personal level. He’s not seen as a strategic mastermind, or a guy who adjusts his game plan as it gets figured out.

The rap on him is that eventually you can only be a cheerleader for so long before the strategic deficiencies and the “players policing themselves” approach results in diminishing returns and a disconnected locker room.

There is also the growing belief that Vegas’ success has less to do with Gallant than originally believed.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Funny that his faults seem to the same as Quinn’s to a large degree. Imo people are not being rational about Quinn. I’m personally starting to agree that something feels broken to the extent that may require a new coach, but the piling on and blaming him for literally everything is silly, as is suggesting they replace him with anyone who’s available.

 

[CupSeeker]

Yeah, how old was Hayes when we traded him? 25 or 26 and entering his prime?

Trade JT Miller as he is entering his prime for spare parts.

Move McDonagh and get pieces like Howden in return?

The 1st, 2nd, 7th and 9th overall picks not developing as they should?

Not exactly a good rebuild. Outside of bringing in Shesterkin, it has been a failure thus far.

EDIT: Also acquiring Fox was huge.

Last spring everyone was screaming about how far ahead of the curve we were on the rebuild and the expectations simply got out of control. This roster is not that good; we have a ton of wasted cap space (you get what you pay for). We are the youngest team in the league and our #1 center is shitting the bed on a nightly basis. We are going to lose alot this year; as long as the kids continue to develop, I am happy. I will need to see more out of Laf by game 30 or so. Other than that, get Chytil back so he can develop more and watch Kakko, Fox, Lindgren, Miller, Hajek, Laf, Shesty, Chytil and Gauthier every night as they improve. Also, keep an eye on Howden and Lemieux. If they don't start to improve, they may be part of the problem and disposable. We have plenty of bottom six grinders in our system to take their place.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If they did, it’s probably Martin on an interim-basis.

I think Sullivan is the organization’s first choice, if he becomes available.

If I could pick anyone, regardless of availability, I think Quenneville would be a great fit.

If Sully becomes available in the summer is Quinn gone?

 

[haveandare]

Not sure where is the right place to ask about this, if anywhere, but does anyone else get banner ads over the literal menu on mobile?

 

[Raspewtin]

I honestly do not get the Hajek hate. He has been much better since he came back here. Bitetto and Smith blow. They should be putting them both in if all six d ever go down. Johnson should be cut. I'd rather see what Hajek can do and another kid. This season is over anyway.

Hajek has one very specific skill, moving the puck in short passes in his own zone. that's it. all offense and plays die on his stick regularly and he has terrible gaps, and so does his partner so whenever they're on the ice we're near guaranteed to take a beating. he is not good enough at NHL defenseman fundamentals and he's 23. I'm done with him tbh

 

[haveandare]

Last spring everyone was screaming about how far ahead of the curve we were on the rebuild and the expectations simply got out of control. This roster is not that good; we have a ton of wasted cap space (you get what you pay for). We are the youngest team in the league and our #1 center is shitting the bed on a nightly basis. We are going to lose alot this year; as long as the kids continue to develop, I am happy. I will need to see more out of Laf by game 30 or so. Other than that, get Chytil back so he can develop more and watch Kakko, Fox, Lindgren, Miller, Hajek, Laf, Shesty, Chytil and Gauthier every night as they improve. Also, keep an eye on Howden and Lemieux. If they don't start to improve, they may be part of the problem and disposable. We have plenty of bottom six grinders in our system to take their place.

IMO Lemieux has improved quite a bit. He’s a lot faster and went from being a penalty magnet to a player who draws penalties consistently.

 

[Edge]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Funny that his faults seem to the same as Quinn’s to a large degree. Imo people are not being rational about Quinn. I’m personally starting to agree that something feels broken to the extent that may require a new coach, but the piling on and blaming him for literally everything is silly, as is suggesting they replace him with anyone who’s available.

I don’t think Quinn is the long-term answer for this team, but I don’t know if he’s quite the source of all that’s wrong that some believe.

I think there larger issues at work here that having a more negative impact than Quinn.

I think there are many levels between absolving Quinn of blame, and viewing him as the root of the problem. The choice isn’t between pitchforks or pina coladas.

 

[Edge]

If Sully becomes available in the summer is Quinn gone?

Quite possibly. But it depends. If this team goes on a run and makes the playoffs, I honestly don’t know.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I don’t care about wins. I care about our young players progressing and having a tangible result of that progress.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Do you honestly believe ADA is being unfairly persecuted (again), and it’s that persecution that now has him looking for his fourth organization in 7 years, has resulted in a fight with a teammate, and has caused other teams do their research and conclude, “eh, not going there right now?”

@Edge i respect your opinion on all things NYR.

i believe what i wrote. kids been this way his whole career. hot head. quinn couldn't deal with him.

witch hunt hit piece cancel culture road kill. thats what i believe. the optics were poor. its NYC and hes not allowed to be like he is. the narrative was written in stone. true or untrue didnt matter.

his skills are undeniable. his politics are cancellable. he was a good solid teammate and well liked. georgie hit him. from what i read. he said something in the heat of the moment. happens.

it did not have to get to here. thats what i believe.

sad ending for him.

this team has more issues than tony.

quinn has to go.

 

[Machinehead]

Gallant is a players coach who guys respond to on a personal level. He’s not seen as a strategic mastermind, or a guy who adjusts his game plan as it gets figured out.

The rap on him is that eventually you can only be a cheerleader for so long before the strategic deficiencies and the “players policing themselves” approach results in diminishing returns and a disconnected locker room.

There is also the growing belief that Vegas’ success has less to do with Gallant than originally believed.

Gee, I sure would hate to have strategic deficiencies and a disconnected locker room. Glad that's not happening here!

 

[Edge]

@Edge i respect your opinion on all things NYR.

i believe what i wrote. kids been this way his whole career. hot head. quinn couldn't deal with him.

witch hunt hit piece cancel culture road kill. thats what i believe. the optics were poor. its NYC and hes not allowed to be like he is. the narrative was written in stone. true or untrue didnt matter.

his skills are undeniable. his politics are cancellable. he was a good solid teammate and well liked. georgie hit him. from what i read. he said something in the heat of the moment. happens.

it did not have to get to here. thats what i believe.

sad ending for him.

this team has more issues than tony.

quinn has to go.

I think you might be giving ADA more benefit of the doubt than he deserves and assuming his views are more isolated than they actually are.

Otherwise guys like Fox and Lemieux would find themselves in similar situations.

 

[rdhstlr23]

He’s been tremendous for a while now. He’s taking the puck away multiple times a game too and creating chances out of nowhere.

He’s not getting any points right now but if he keeps playing this way, the points will come. He’s playing too well for them not to.

I really think Marian Hossa is a great comparable if his two way game keeps trending in the way it is. I mean this is a kid who couldn’t even keep up last year and now he’s reading plays, anticipating and stealing the puck all game. Tons of great defensive plays.

I keep reading these types of things. They are true. This is absolutely true. What happens when the production doesn't come? Because right now, it's not coming.

And there are lots of players that do "all the right things", but don't produce like Marian Hossa. If Kakko is one of those players, that's fine. The problem is that wasn't the expectation of Kakko. The expectation was Hossa-like.

 

[Edge]

Gee, I sure would hate to have strategic deficiencies and a disconnected locker room. Glad that's not happening here!

Well, why you trade for the same though?

If the goal is to affect change, you actually have to change something.

Otherwise we are right back where we started.

 

[SML2]

If they did, it’s probably Martin on an interim-basis.

I think Sullivan is the organization’s first choice, if he becomes available.

If I could pick anyone, regardless of availability, I think Quenneville would be a great fit.

I think you're right on Martin, but for the life of me, I don't know why.
I have never understood why a floundering team would replace the coach with a guy who is in the room while they are floundering. If the guy has so many solutions, how about speaking up before we get to this point? Or is the role of an assistant coach to keep quiet and wait for the head coach to get fired so you can take his job? I was thinking Gallant, but now maybe I'm more Boudreau. Fact is, Quinn is no offensive genius. He's another middle of the road defenseman turned coach. At least Boudreau thinks like an offensive guy even though it's hard to imagine the guy was ever any level of athlete whatsoever.

 

[Anthony5967]

Quite possibly. But it depends. If this team goes on a run and makes the playoffs, I honestly don’t know.

I know it's early but I highly, highly doubt that run is ever coming. The division is too good. The Rangers are the worst team in the division. Owen Power or this Michigan kid people are drooling over?

 

[Machinehead]

Well, why you trade for the same though?

If the goal is to affect change, you actually have to change something.

Otherwise we are right back where we started.

Ok so forget Gallant. Are there no coaches better than Quinn?

 

[CupSeeker]

IMO Lemieux has improved quite a bit. He’s a lot faster and went from being a penalty magnet to a player who draws penalties consistently.

that's good. Maybe he sticks. I think he is inconsistent and is expected to generate some offense, and he isn't right now.

 

[Edge]

Ok so forget Gallant. Are there no coaches better than Quinn?

Oh there are.

And one of them will likely be the guy who replaces him. Just probably not next week.

 

[Anthony5967]

Ok so forget Gallant. Are there no coaches better than Quinn?

He's the man for the job. Yes, I am definitely joking.

 

[Machinehead]

Oh there are.

And one of them will likely be the guy who replaces him. Just probably not next week.

Who said next week?

 

[Edge]

Who said next week?

Or the week after.

Or, barring a change, before the mid-way point or 3/4 mark of this season.

Point being, it's not something that's imminent at this time.

 

[tailgunner]

I have been watching Rangers hockey since i was a young kid in 1979

last night considering the circumstances was the worst most inexcusable loss I have ever seen.

you lost to a team that has not played a game in 15 days

you lost to a team that has not practiced in 14 days

you lost to a team that was missing alot of their key players and had some fill in players that looked like they were picked up outside of the port authority
total inexcusable loss and downright embarrassing

 

[Machinehead]

Or the week after.

Or, barring a change, before the mid-way point or 3/4 mark of this season.

Point being, it's not something that's imminent at this time.

So? That doesn't change anything about the sentiment.