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Agreed, which, to me indicates a major coaching issue... Something needs to be done here
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Agreed, which, to me indicates a major coaching issue... Something needs to be done here
Glen Sathers Cigar
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Btw I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a wrist or hand issue with Trouba. He took a puck off the hand area late in the 2nd period and he immediately dropped his hand down and was shaking it.
A lot of people have said it, but I’ll just reiterate some points.
I’m really unhappy. I’m disappointed. My expectations aren’t met.
And I hope it’s Quinn, because that’s an easy fix. If it’s not on Quinn, then we are looking at an Edmonton Oilers situation, pre-McDavid.
I didn’t expect to win. I expected this season to be tough. I expected regression from Panarin, Georgiev, DeAngelo, and Zibanejad (not like this for Mika). I expected some sophomore slumps from Shesterkin and Fox (haven’t seen it from Fox).
What I did expect was to see is the cashing in on hype from our 2 biggest draft picks in decades - Kakko and LaFreniere. I expected to see the offense start to shift to being driven by the young guys instead of leaning so heavily on Panarin and Zibanejad.
I’m officially worried they’re our 2 best offensive players and our oldest. I’m worried about LaFreniere and Kakko.
I keep reading and seeing about how great/better their games are, how the goals are going to come, etc...but I’ll tell ya...with young players you need to see production to reinforce you’re doing the right things. Mika can lean on the fact he’s had production in the past. The kids can’t.
My expectation was that these two guys were franchise changers. They were guys you didn’t trade for anything - says PLD, or other C we need. They were instant impact guys. Prohibitive Calder favorites.
Neither have been any of the sort. We are still the same - if Panarin or Zibanejad don’t carry us, we can’t score. That sucks.
Miller has been fun. But man I was hoping one of these two were it. Getting better and eventually providing Kreider or Buchnevich production 50-60 points per season) is good and fine, but it wasn’t what I expected.
I’m really unhappy. I’m disappointed. My expectations aren’t met.
And I hope it’s Quinn, because that’s an easy fix. If it’s not on Quinn, then we are looking at an Edmonton Oilers situation, pre-McDavid.
I didn’t expect to win. I expected this season to be tough. I expected regression from Panarin, Georgiev, DeAngelo, and Zibanejad (not like this for Mika). I expected some sophomore slumps from Shesterkin and Fox (haven’t seen it from Fox).
What I did expect was to see is the cashing in on hype from our 2 biggest draft picks in decades - Kakko and LaFreniere. I expected to see the offense start to shift to being driven by the young guys instead of leaning so heavily on Panarin and Zibanejad.
I’m officially worried they’re our 2 best offensive players and our oldest. I’m worried about LaFreniere and Kakko.
I keep reading and seeing about how great/better their games are, how the goals are going to come, etc...but I’ll tell ya...with young players you need to see production to reinforce you’re doing the right things. Mika can lean on the fact he’s had production in the past. The kids can’t.
My expectation was that these two guys were franchise changers. They were guys you didn’t trade for anything - says PLD, or other C we need. They were instant impact guys. Prohibitive Calder favorites.
Neither have been any of the sort. We are still the same - if Panarin or Zibanejad don’t carry us, we can’t score. That sucks.
Miller has been fun. But man I was hoping one of these two were it. Getting better and eventually providing Kreider or Buchnevich production 50-60 points per season) is good and fine, but it wasn’t what I expected.
unfortunately (and fortunately I guess) he is getting better at it but I agree he should not have to be doing it as much as he is. Problem is when you put him on a line with Strome and Laf who is gonna do it? Put him on a line with a PDG or even a Blackwell and maybe he gets open to be a little more dangerous around the net.
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He’s been tremendous for a while now. He’s taking the puck away multiple times a game too and creating chances out of nowhere.
He’s not getting any points right now but if he keeps playing this way, the points will come. He’s playing too well for them not to.
I really think Marian Hossa is a great comparable if his two way game keeps trending in the way it is. I mean this is a kid who couldn’t even keep up last year and now he’s reading plays, anticipating and stealing the puck all game. Tons of great defensive plays.
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I dunno, to start the year, underlying stats showed a team that should've won more than it lost.
However, those teams were still flawed in a number of ways.
Now you take out Panarin, Chytil, Miller, and even Trouba, and those games that should've won start to become games that they need to dig for something extra to win --- which they don't have.
TheTakedown
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Bruh bitteto on goal #3 was just so awful -- literally skated a circle in the crease and puck watched
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I think what's weird to me is how you go from multiple guys having career years, to two of those guys have not just drop-offs, but nightmare starts to the season.
It's hot or cold, with little in-between.
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Rebuilding.
i don't even think it was arguable. whether that's a good or bad thing, i don't know, but it was great to see.
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PuckLuck3043
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Are you worried about Laf scoring 1 goal in 14 games? I am and I'm trying to figure out what is wrong.
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I'm not on the "fire quinn" bandwagon yet, but there needs to be a major, heavy discussion between gorton and the coaching staff. This team has more pieces than ever, and I'm not expecting every young players to put up 60 points, but right now they only player worth anything is colin f***ing blackwell and Bread man ... Outside of that, nobody else is putting in enough effort except maybe kreider and that's on and off at best...
Don't fire anyone, but everyone on the coaching staff sans martin needs their seat to be just a little bit warmer -- I'm ok with losses if our guys are putting up points and making differences in the games. These kinds of losses where entire periods are just complete piles of dog crap are unacceptable for this level of talent
Don't fire anyone, but everyone on the coaching staff sans martin needs their seat to be just a little bit warmer -- I'm ok with losses if our guys are putting up points and making differences in the games. These kinds of losses where entire periods are just complete piles of dog crap are unacceptable for this level of talent
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And has been for the last 5-7 gamees or so IMO.
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You're focusing a ton on this specific game where we were missing so many pieces
But even the last few games we had everyone and still saw a similar problem on the ice... It's not this specific game, it's the general theme of this season so far -- a lot of guys not doing much at all
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Not really, because he's kind of in that same zone as lot of guys where I'm wondering how he only has 1 goal in 14 games.
Getting away from the good/bad/ugly of David Quinn for a second, this is a kid who has played in a way where he should have more goals and points. I feel the same with Kakko, and he's looked significantly better than Lafreniere. There's this disconnect between the play and the numbers.
And the truth is that it's not limited to just them.
Even a kid like Jack Hughes. On the surface he has 3 goals and 8 points in 10 games. But then you realize that 3 of those goals and 7 of those points came in the first games (including 2 goals and 3 points against the Rangers). But since then he has one assist in his last 5 games. Hell, take away the Rangers game and he's got 1 goal and 5 points in 10 games of his sophomore season.
Stutzle had a similar burst and fall-off. He had 3 goals and 5 points in a 3 game span, but 1 goal and 2 points in the other 11.
Right now, the difference really seems to be that Lafreniere hasn't had that 2-3 game stretch where he nets a couple of goals and assists. You could argue there were a few games where he should've (especially around the time he got his first), but it wasn't there.
I've never looked at Lafreniere or Kakko this season and felt they didn't belong. I wondered how they haven't scored more.
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I would totally agree with that.
There were times tonight he looked like a star. The only thing he didn't do was score --- which again goes back to the reaction of "How the hell didn't he?!?"
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They are fine, but again I'm not focusing on the newbies here because they are not the problem, even though there's a major issue with how laf is performing rn
Zibanejad putting up 3 points in 14 games is insanely concerning
The amount of turnovers and goals against and penalties that trouba has been responsible is absolutely unacceptable
The coaching staff's insistence of playing jack johnson when he is healthy
Buchnevich's inconsistencies
These problems on their own would indicate an issue with the players specifically. ALL of these problems at the same time indicates a higher level issue
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5 shots on goal today, 12 in the last 4 games. He generates offense, his TkA/GvA ratio is 13, highest in the league.
He's making things happen. And it's a shame his linemates cannot finish either.
The only game recently where he did not have a shot on goal was ironically his best game, the one against the Capitals where he had an assist but should have had 3-4 points
While the message is kind of true, Kreider taking an early 5 min penalty kind of meant he had to jiggle lines...
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Well, we've been with Panarin and Chytil for a few games name, and Zibanejad is still God knows where. So while we had more to work with, we were still missing some key pieces.
But I wonder how much of last year's unsustainable scoring masked a lot of problems that we're seeing this year.
Let's for arguments sake say we have a magic wand and we can swap last year's Zibanejad with this year's version.
How much worse is last year's team with this version of Mika?
Likewise, how many more wins do we sneak away with if we had last year's version of Mika?
Not that it solves every problem, or that there still aren't issues or concerns.
But more than anyone else on this team, especially in the absence of Panarin and Chytil, how different are things if we have that 2019-20 version of Zibanejad?
Hell, what if we just had Mika's final 20 games to start this season?
I feel like a lot of the same cracks and problems exist, they're just hidden.
I say that because there's a working theory that last year's team was better. And maybe it was.
But maybe that difference isn't as far-reaching as we think. Maybe that difference between both seasons is really personified in Zibanejad.
If you have that version. Hell, if you had 80 percent of that version, what conversations do you think we're having right now?
That's an interesting question for me.
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Neither have I but they both should be putting up better numbers. LAF was the most talented player in a great draft class and 1OA. He should be having more of an impact on the score sheet.
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