Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part II

[glenwo2]

That’s where I’m at. Why would I want to pay a lot for the privilege of making a minor upgrade in goal?

There is a definite chance that whomever the Devils trade for ends up worse than whatever goalies the Devils end up not going with. For example, if Schmid is in a package for Markstrom, there is some chance Schmid has a better year next year than Markstrom and I had to pay to get the worse performance.

So, for me, I’m holding the line on what I will give up for some of the marginal goalies. If I get them, great, and if I don’t think I’ll keep moving forward.

Getting Markstrom would not be a MINOR upgrade in goal compared to what we had trotted out.

 

[glenwo2]

The problem is...Markstrom isn't good. He'd be a marginal upgrade.

Compared to what we had to deal with lately, a "marginal upgrade" in goal is a huge one.

 

[Devs3cups]

I'd be curious if Luke wants a deal that extends beyond when Jack is scheduled to hit the market.

I think the brothers thing is overplayed at times, but I could also see how they would want to be up at the same time and evaluate from there.

I doubt it Quinn didn’t take that into consideration for example so I’m not sure. I know they’re not on the same team but still.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

 

[Devils731]

Getting Markstrom would not be a MINOR upgrade in goal compared to what we had trotted out.

Markstrom 2 years ago had an .892 save percentage and this year he was at .905. He was a .898 combined.

Schmid last year, where he was so horrible we can’t possibly imagine he could play in the NHL next year, was .895 behind a horrific defense.

I don’t have a ton of confidence that Markstrom is getting better at 35 years old. So I think there is a pretty good chance Markstrom is a marginal upgrade compared to other, cheaper options.

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I think the Devils goalies, regardless of who it is, will look better next year with a healthier lineup and a better system in front of the goalie.

 

[JimEIV]

Geez this crap of ridiculous speculative reporting is going to go on for another two weeks because no one is going to announce anything during the playoffs.

 

[MartyOwns]

i'd rather run back what we had than bring in markstrom, but fitz is (rightly, i guess) not going to do that with his job on the line. calgary's going to have to add, though.

 

[Darkauron]

Id bet that we end up not trading the picket. The next likely scenario I see is us swapping our first for a lower first and a forward or something. Goalie trade market sucks and isnt worth it to me

 

[Goptor]

More non-reporting

I wonder who is pushing all the Markstrom to NJ rumors.
He has a NMC. Does he have to give a list or can he veto everyone?

If Markstrom is dead set on going to NJ, this would be the playbook his agent would be running.

 

[bossram]

I'm sure everyone here would rather have kahkonen than Gibson. I know I would. But the devils have apparently kicked the tires on him before, and for some absolutely unknown reason, Gibson continues to have this hold on the league that I just don't understand and Fitz has not displayed any indication that Kahkonen was anything more than a fill in for the rest of the year.

Reputation runs deep. You can be bad for 5 years but if you had 1 good season or were a former 1st round pick, people in the industry will remember it.

If Fitz wants to make a terrible move because he thinks he needs to save face to keep his job, well, ultimately it'll be on him. I hope he doesn't make a panic/desperation move like that.

I wonder who is pushing all the Markstrom to NJ rumors.
He has a NMC. Does he have to give a list or can he veto everyone?

If Markstrom is dead set on going to NJ, this would be the playbook his agent would be running.

Evidently he was ready to waive or already waived his NTC for NJ prior to the deadline, but they couldn't reach a deal.

I don't really like the Markstrom option. If he comes very cheap, I won't mind it. But paying any asset of any real value for him is just a mistake.

 

[bossram]

He is a good although inconsistent goalie. He had a great high danger scoring chance saving percentage. That works well with the Devils system.

Markström gets too much criticism here, and he is a good option for the Devils as long as the price is right and Fitzgerald doesn't overpay for him.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5286392/2024/02/20/jacob-markstrom-devils-flames/

The biggest problem with Markstrom are his injury issues and that he is essentially falling apart by the end of every season. If he comes for cheap, fine. But Fitz is probably paying for a "legit starter" price and Markstrom can't handle that. And he's already old, so I don't think the trend bodes well.

 

[theoptimist]

I don't take the Senators seriously.

 

[CalamityX23]

compared to going into the season with vitek last year? markstrom is lightyears better

this is where people lose me, IMO... like to say lightyears? how so?

per espn, SV % for Markstrom was .905(top 25) vs Kakhonen at .898 &Allen at .895... .010 is light years? enough to move the 10th OA?(rumored price), take on high cap hits for two years for goalie who's closer to his downside if not already sliding? For a team, not really banging on FLA doorsteps right now.....

Goalie is absolutely in need of an improvement/upgrade, no one here should debate that nor I am.

GAA, its Markstrom at 2.78 vs Allen at 3.44 and Kahkonen at 3.64..... that 1 goal does make a difference but i wouldn't describe that as light years.

If we're talking about losing games, 6-5 then the pro Markstrom is on to something, but if we're losing 6-2/3... goaltending isn't the main issue in that respect. IMO

Markstrojm + Sheldon Keefe over Travis Green is a MAJOR change.

If we added Markstrom to Travis Green coming back for next year, then yeah we're nowhere near a playoff lock. We're probably playoff MISS lock, barring Vezina level Markstrom. We're looking at following up with yet another 80 point season, even with improved goaltending, because Travis Green completely NUKED this team after he took over and had solid goaltending compared to what Lindy was getting.

God Save Ottawa.

Can't wait for the O'Keefe effect in our offense and overall team play...

hopefully back to exciting Devils Hockey!

 

[Bcap88]

I wonder who is pushing all the Markstrom to NJ rumors.
He has a NMC. Does he have to give a list or can he veto everyone?

If Markstrom is dead set on going to NJ, this would be the playbook his agent would be running.

He can veto anyone with a NMC

 

[guitarguyvic]

How is a 35 year old Markstrom not just as risky at this point as Vitek was two years ago? I have no idea why people are acting like this guy is a lock to give us a performance worthy of significant trade assets.

If you’re hell bent on getting a goalie that is likely to make a real difference, then you might as well be hunting for the big fish that you’ll have to give up a lot to get. Markstrom for anything more than what we paid for Vitek is too high of a price for too little of a sure thing.

 

[Forge]

More non-reporting

Humorously, I was listening to Frank and he was far more open to the idea that the Devils aren't married to Markstrom. He basically indicated that the devils had a group of goalies and they seem to be happy to land any of them so long as they can acquire him for the price they want.

 

[My3Sons]

Humorously, I was listening to Frank and he was far more open to the idea that the Devils aren't married to Markstrom. He basically indicated that the devils had a group of goalies and they seem to be happy to land any of them so long as they can acquire him for the price they want.

I also think the Ottawa is heavily after Markstrom is a load of crap floated by Calgary to rattle NJ's cage. Calgary were jerks and overplayed their hand once I have no doubt they will do it again at the expense of Markstrom. I can't see Markstrom agreeing to go play for Ottawa for two years. Not that the team can't turn it around but at least NJ started to the year before last and they were technically alive until very late in the season, which allows Markstrom to squint and think he sees a team ready to compete in the playoffs. So much for NJ depends upon what Keefe can do with the core. I'd be ok with Markstrom for the equivalent of a low first. Basically a rental price. is that Holtz? Is that Casey? Is that the RFA rights to McLeod? is that next year's first with protection? Is that Siegenthaler or Bahl? I don't know but we will find out.

 

[guitarguyvic]

I also think the Ottawa is heavily after Markstrom is a load of crap floated by Calgary to rattle NJ's cage. Calgary were jerks and overplayed their hand once I have no doubt they will do it again at the expense of Markstrom. I can't see Markstrom agreeing to go play for Ottawa for two years. Not that the team can't turn it around but at least NJ started to the year before last and they were technically alive until very late in the season, which allows Markstrom to squint and think he sees a team ready to compete in the playoffs. So much for NJ depends upon what Keefe can do with the core. I'd be ok with Markstrom for the equivalent of a low first. Basically a rental price. is that Holtz? Is that Casey? Is that the RFA rights to McLeod? is that next year's first with protection? Is that Siegenthaler or Bahl? I don't know but we will find out.

None of those are worth Markstrom, that’s just crazy talk. There’s zero reason to give up anything more than a second rounder for an aged average goalie who has had recent injury troubles.

 

[My3Sons]

None of those are worth Markstrom, that’s just crazy talk. There’s zero reason to give up anything more than a second rounder for an aged average goalie who has had recent injury troubles.

I don't disagree but every year rental prices for the better rentals are for lower first round picks. Assuming Makrstrom doesn't fall off the table or show up broken offering the equivalent of say pick 27-32 isn't that dramatic in my view. Now you may think Markstrom is already falling off the table or broken and you may be right. I didn't watch him enough to make up my mind on that, but I trust that if the team trades for him their assessment is he still has some tread on the tires for at least another year.

 

[SJinNewJersey]

If this has been posted already, sorry about the duplicate post.

With the imminent demise of Capfriendly, you can us puckpedia.com as an alternate.

 

[njdevils1982]

If this has been posted already, sorry about the duplicate post.

With the imminent demise of Capfriendly, you can us puckpedia.com as an alternate.

ya it has been mentioned, but it doesn't hurt to post it again. there's also this:

here's the devils page... New Jersey Devils Multi-Year Table

 

[Forge]

James apparently choosing violence.

 

[Mgd31]

Nichols is becoming an engagement farmer at this point. Every article he posts he deliberately leaves out the name of the subject he is writing about so you are forced to open the link.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

Getting Markstrom would not be a MINOR upgrade in goal compared to what we had trotted out.

The problem is, on a scale of 0-100, going from 0 to 10 is a major upgrade. It's 10 times better, right? But relative to a whole of 100, it's still not good. Hence not wanting to pay first line winger prices for him.

 

[BostonDevil]

I don't take the Senators seriously.

Nobody does