They are high picks in relation to a top 10 prospects list, which I think is all Goptor was talking about. A top 10 prospects list for all but the most loaded-in-picks teams should contain some players taken in the 3rd round. Obviously everyone here has been here long enough to have seen many top 10 lists come and go and most of the names on it never being long-term NHLers (and plenty of guys who never sniffed a top 10 going on to be long-term players).
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They are high picks in relation to a top 10 prospects list, which I think is all Goptor was talking about. A top 10 prospects list for all but the most loaded-in-picks teams should contain some players taken in the 3rd round. Obviously everyone here has been here long enough to have seen many top 10 lists come and go and most of the names on it never being long-term NHLers (and plenty of guys who never sniffed a top 10 going on to be long-term players).
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I guess thats fair.
I just can't imagine being upset at trading some of the picks when they brought legitimately good to great NHL players back. Its not like we traded 1st rounders for deadline rentals.
We can throw this list out on account of Sami Salminen is on it.
Pretty clear these guys haven't watched Barabosha, Orlov or Karpovich all year -- I'd have all 3 of them in the Devils top 10.
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do any of those guys have a realistic shot of coming over here and if so when could that be expected?
I'm going to give Salminen a one year reprieve. UConn had a half dozen recent draftees this past season, without much by way of scoring production or wins.
Salminen transferred, as did their leading goal scorer and Nashville 1st round pick Matthew Wood. Maybe he can find his footing in Denver.
Salminen's skating is below average at the NHL level, and none of his skills or intangibles grade as high-end. That is not exactly a recipe for NHL success, unfortunately. He's got a pretty good shot and pretty good hands in front of the net, which might get him a role in the AHL.
I've seen some iffy takes on skating in regards to some recent Devils draftee's.
From what I've seen his skating looked fine. Not so say that stands out as a strength, but I didn't watch him and think, "this guy is not a good skater", which is something I thought with Ty Smith. An example where the draft critiques were "iffy".
Like I said, didn't look like a great situation in UConn, so I'll give him a year before completely writing him off, though admittedly he probably does get written off after another nothing year.
Your optimism is certainly appreciated. I'm just not sure what the quality is which will get him to the NHL: Every player in the league either has some high-end tool or high-end intangible.
I mean, getting Gritsyuk in the NHL would be huge, but that's his decision to make obviously.
Misyul is already in North America and would probably be a good call for the Devils 7th defenseman if he has a good camp. On the McKeen's top 10 list, I'm not going to comment on Malek because goalies are not my specialty, but he should definitely be ahead of Salminen.
Barabosha, Orlov and Karpovich are all plus skaters who are all plus defenders. Orlov has the most offensive upside of the three because his speed is bordering on elite, but he's not as physical and punishing to play against as Barabosha and Karpovich. Karpovich is the smartest of the three in my estimation. Barabosha is the most physical player in the entire prospect pool -- he's just a punishing hitter.
I agree with McKeen's that the top 2 Devils prospects are, in order, Casey and Gritsyuk. But as far as #3 goes, I'd say it's very close between a group consisting of Filmon, Vilen, Hameenaho, Barabosha, Orlov and Karpovich. That would definitely make up my top 8, and the final two slots (not including goalies) would probably be Misyul and Stillman.
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Salminen has some skill but plays with zero pace and his skating sucks, I don’t see him playing much in North America.
I don’t wishcast unsigned long-shots who don’t play a NHL style.
His biggest advantage is we need centers but he’s not center we need.
I’ll be pleased if he signs and is productive in Utica.
How much have you watched him? I just watched a few shift by shift vids and his skating did not stand out as being that bad. Looked fine.
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I only really judge their skating after I’ve seen them live and I’ve seen him live twice at development camp.
His skating isn’t good but his main flaw is pace, which is slooowww. It makes his skating look worse.
Hamalainen skating isn’t good either, but his pace is great, he plays a style that fits the NHL a lot better.
Stillman has a great motor, and good skater, but alas, low hockey sense, so he’s just “moving his feet”. Pace involves thinking the game too.
Again, I honestly find skating hard to judge by video vs live.
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Been intrigued by Karpovich but hard to get updates on him, I would love to know your take on him.
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I'll be curious if the devils let him burn his only elc year next season
Yes, these top 10 list are for the most parts a ranking of prospect quantity, which are primarily 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft picks. Exception obviously being top 5 or so picks which have a strong influence but graduate out after a year.
He's playing in Belarus, and I'm not sure how to find Belarus league games so to be honest all my notes on him are still from last year in the MHL. You can try asking @Guadana if he's seen Karpovich this season.
Either way, it explains why he's not listed on many Devils Top 10 prospects lists.
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Never really understood the scouting process that lead to Salminen. Big guy with a goal-heavy split at the WJC but can't really skate doesn't seem like a great skill set to gamble on developing.
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Im sure towards the end of drafts there is like a check list. Like, do they have anything we like in them as opposed to a full skill set.
Taking stabs on players because "they can score goals" as opposed to a well rounded all around game
I don't see why they wouldn't, the only trouble is that Gritsyuk is on a good team - the KHL playoffs don't end until late April, so that could put a snag in things. If the Devils are confident Gritsyuk will be a good NHL player, they can negotiate a contract that is still a bargain.
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