GDT: Devils @ Avalanche - 10 P.M. - TNT/SN1/SNE/SNO/SNP

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I disagree with this, because it's been ugly even with them in the lineup. They have not played like a cup contending roster should all year, and I suspect that these injuries are going to expose what a lot of have suspected which is that it's a system/coaching issue.

The system sucks, the fact that a couple of star players have been able to mask it with individual talent is proof that they were winning in spite of it and not because of it.

The system sucks because the guy they had to replace their top 4 dman that walked looks abysmal. Marino has to do twice the work for the pairing since Bahl can't get out of his way, Luke has to do twice the work on his pairing because Smith can't get out of his own way. It sucks that Miller decided to pull backup goalie disease from years past and hasn't even dressed a singular game but it is what it is. And like I said before, yes I agree that Lindy is a problem most nights and his stubbornness hurts this team but we have to live with him currently because the superstar of our franchise likes him. It's modern sports, you keep your stars happy. As soon as Jack is unhappy with Lindy or sees that he's not the right coach to lead us to a Cup, I'm assuming that they'll move on from him. But at this current stage in our window, he's probably gonna be here for 1-2 years minimum.

 

[jkrdevil]

Still early enough, but we played really well even strength last year.

Powerplay is better this year, but got to expect that will trend downward....it can't stay this hot.

and the PK feels worse.

This game excluded, that have been a good 5 on 5 team, but just haven’t scored.

The PK has been bad though, offset by the PP. But the PP is going to obviously take a step back.

 

[DerekDevils30]

With Jack out you can really see teams are honing in on Bratt. He doesn’t have nearly the space out there that he did prior to Jack getting hurt.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

There's a ton of winnable games on this schedule coming up, just don't drown should be the motto and frankly I don't care if that sounds defeatist but it's the reality when you lose arguably the Art Ross winner (if he stayed healthy) + 80+ point Selke finalist from your lineup.

 

[Devs3cups]

I’m tired of being gaslit by some about Palat. The guy is absolutely f***ing awful

I don't think you're being gaslit about Palat. He's not producing as we'd like, but I don't think he's hurting out there. I think people see posters using advanced metrics to justify some guys playing well but see those same posters ignore those same metrics for Palat. You seem pretty biased against Palat and it's fine, but his advanced metrics have been very good 5v5 so far. I'd love more production though.

 

[Hisch13r]

With Jack out you can really see teams are honing in on Bratt. He doesn’t have nearly the space out there that he did prior to Jack getting hurt.

Yup. Bratt’s great if he’s your #2 guy but he’s not the #1 guy

 

[guitarguyvic]

Anyone talking about the forward line and offense is completely missing the actual problem with the team. They score almost 4 goals a game. You can't ask for much more offense than that. They are giving up almost four goals a game through 12 games now, which is a pretty decent sample size. That is ATROCIOUS. Like lottery team level bad. Completely unacceptable level of defensive incompetence for a team with this much talent and Cup aspirations.

Has any true cup contender in recent memory gone a twelve game stretch of giving up this many goals? I feel like it's pretty unlikely.

 

[Emperoreddy]

With Jack out you can really see teams are honing in on Bratt. He doesn’t have nearly the space out there that he did prior to Jack getting hurt.

It's a domino effect when you are missing a player like that.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

There's a ton of winnable games on this schedule coming up, just don't drown should be the motto and frankly I don't care if that sounds defeatist but it's the reality when you lose arguably the Art Ross winner (if he stayed healthy) + 80+ point Selke finalist from your lineup.

The Avs are much better than the Hawks but we didn't look good for stretches of the game. If we didn't get those powerplays in the 2nd I wonder if we would of scored more than 2 goals. It's crazy we beat them 3 straight games before tonight.

 

[Hisch13r]

The Avs are much better than the Hawks but we didn't look good for stretches of the game. If we didn't get those powerplays in the 2nd I wonder if we would of scored more than 2 goals. It's crazy we beat them 3 straight games before tonight.

Idk if it’s that crazy. It’s only 3 games and we were a better team than then last year

 

[Devs3cups]

The system sucks because the guy they had to replace their top 4 dman that walked looks abysmal. Marino has to do twice the work for the pairing since Bahl can't get out of his way, Luke has to do twice the work on his pairing because Smith can't get out of his own way. It sucks that Miller decided to pull backup goalie disease from years past and hasn't even dressed a singular game but it is what it is. And like I said before, yes I agree that Lindy is a problem most nights and his stubbornness hurts this team but we have to live with him currently because the superstar of our franchise likes him. It's modern sports, you keep your stars happy. As soon as Jack is unhappy with Lindy or sees that he's not the right coach to lead us to a Cup, I'm assuming that they'll move on from him. But at this current stage in our window, he's probably gonna be here for 1-2 years minimum.

Luke - Dougie
Bahl - Marino
Siegs - Nemec

Or

Luke - Dougie
Siegs - Marino
Bahl - Nemec

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Anyone talking about the forward line and offense is completely missing the actual problem with the team. They score almost 4 goals a game. You can't ask for much more offense than that. They are giving up almost four goals a game through 12 games now, which is a pretty decent sample size. That is ATROCIOUS. Like lottery team level bad. Completely unacceptable level of defensive incompetence for a team with this much talent and Cup aspirations.

Has any true cup contender in recent memory gone a twelve game stretch of giving up this many goals? I feel like it's pretty unlikely.

Wrong because instead of McLeod playing 2C with Nico/Jack in the lineup, he's playing bottom 6 and playing defensively sound hockey + taking face-offs/helping out the PK. You can't just ignore guys from the bottom 6 who are usually in defensive roles to begin with moving up to the top 6 and ignore that doesn't have a trickle down effect on the team's defense from the forward side. The team's defensemen have also collectively way worse than we thought coming into the year. No one has been consistent on the backend.

 

[Cheddabombs]

Meh already over it. But I don't know if I can do another late night game without Nico or Jack in the lineup. Team has a lot to figure out but team defense seems like priority #1 while we were lacking the firepower

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

Just watched the highlights, man you already knew the way the puck was being handled that theres a turnover coming up and whoevers in the net wont stop the chance thats about to come

 

[guitarguyvic]

Wrong because instead of McLeod playing 2C with Nico/Jack in the lineup, he's playing bottom 6 and playing defensively sound hockey + taking face-offs/helping out the PK. You can't just ignore guys from the bottom 6 who are usually in defensive roles to begin with moving up to the top 6 and ignore that doesn't have a trickle down effect on the team's defense from the forward side. The team's defensemen have also collectively way worse than we thought coming into the year. No one has been consistent on the backend.

Again this is ignoring that the team has been dogshit defensively all year even with a full lineup.

 

[Hisch13r]

There's a ton of winnable games on this schedule coming up, just don't drown should be the motto and frankly I don't care if that sounds defeatist but it's the reality when you lose arguably the Art Ross winner (if he stayed healthy) + 80+ point Selke finalist from your lineup.

I mean when like over half the forward group is 4th liners or worse just not sinking should be the expectation. Willman, McLeod, Lazar, Bastian, Tierney, 23-24 Mercer and Palat. It’s a bad group

Just watched the highlights, man you already knew the way the puck was being handled that theres a turnover coming up and whoevers in the net wont stop the chance thats about to come

Vitek stopped MANY of them

 

[Devs3cups]

Anyone talking about the forward line and offense is completely missing the actual problem with the team. They score almost 4 goals a game. You can't ask for much more offense than that. They are giving up almost four goals a game through 12 games now, which is a pretty decent sample size. That is ATROCIOUS. Like lottery team level bad. Completely unacceptable level of defensive incompetence for a team with this much talent and Cup aspirations.

Has any true cup contender in recent memory gone a twelve game stretch of giving up this many goals? I feel like it's pretty unlikely.

Just looked it up quickly, first I found. In their 12 games from November 3rd 2022 to November 26th 2022, the Golden Knights gave up 42 goals in 12 games.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

Idk if it’s that crazy. It’s only 3 games and we were a better team than then last year

It doesn't look like it on the ice aside from Jack , Bratt , Toffoli upfront and the hot powerplay.

The backend is weaker and the goaltending has been worse. Same for 5 on 5 play.

Only 1 or 2 convincing wins so far this season too. Still a decent record but alot of work to be done.

 

[guitarguyvic]

I mean when like over half the forward group is 4th liners or worse just not sinking should be the expectation. Willman, McLeod, Lazar, Bastian, Tierney, 23-24 Mercer and Palat. It’s a bad group



Vitek stopped MANY of them

I mean if you're going to lump in Mercer and Palat with career 4th liners then yeah you can say it's a bad group. Those two guys are supposed to be much better than that, especially the younger one. We have big problems if we're already at the stage where we think Mercer is going to continue being a 4th line caliber player.

 

[R8Devs]

Anyone talking about the forward line and offense is completely missing the actual problem with the team. They score almost 4 goals a game. You can't ask for much more offense than that. They are giving up almost four goals a game through 12 games now, which is a pretty decent sample size. That is ATROCIOUS. Like lottery team level bad. Completely unacceptable level of defensive incompetence for a team with this much talent and Cup aspirations.

Has any true cup contender in recent memory gone a twelve game stretch of giving up this many goals? I feel like it's pretty unlikely.

on the surface scoring may not look like an issue but they're not scoring 5v5 so that's where it comes from -- they have more than enough talent to score more than they have at even strength. the PP can only click at this level for so long especially with Jack out but hopefully when that negative regression comes the 5v5 game will be back to normal. Defensively they need to improve too but honestly they haven't had games like this this season where there was so many individual mistakes in the span of two periods. I don't think this kind of game will be the norm in terms of puck management. anyway it's all connected there can be multiple issues at the same time that compound into each other

 

[Hisch13r]

It doesn't look like it on the ice aside from Jack , Bratt , Toffoli upfront and the hot powerplay.

The backend is weaker and the goaltending has been worse. Same for 5 on 5 play.

Only 1 or 2 convincing wins so far this season too. Still a decent record but alot of work to be done.

What does this have to do with what I said?

 

[Devs3cups]

I thought Mercer had a pretty solid game tonight.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I mean if you're going to lump in Mercer and Palat with career 4th liners then yeah you can say it's a bad group. Those two guys are supposed to be much better than that, especially the younger one. We have big problems if we're already at the stage where we think Mercer is going to continue being a 4th line caliber player.

Mercer has been complete dogshit this year, we might have dodged a bullet not signing him to a big number after last year because he'll be absurdly cheaper after this year.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Just looked it up quickly, first I found. In their 12 games from November 3rd 2022 to November 26th 2022, the Golden Knights gave up 42 goals in 12 games.

Well ain't that some shit.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Again this is ignoring that the team has been dogshit defensively all year even with a full lineup.

Newer guys in new roles were always expected to have growing pains. Did I think they'd be this bad off the bat? No, but not expecting them to slip a bit was a bit crazy after last year.