Confirmed with Link: Devils acquire Goalie Cory Schneider from the Canucks for the 9th Overall Pick

[mrmyheadhurts]

Congrats! You guys just acquired a franchise goalie just entering his prime. The Canucks did a terrific job bringing him along and Luongo was a fantastic mentor for him. I hate the trade, not because of the return, but because we traded the better goalie. I say that believing that Luongo is still a top 10 goalie in this league, that's how high I am on Schneider. He's right there with Rask and Lundqvist.

He's yet to carry a team for a full season, which is why having Marty still in the fold is perfect for him. However, I don't anticipate Cory having any issues at all handling the load.

You won't be able to find many Canuck fans who have one bad thing to say about him.

 

[Bleedred]

I expect Schneider's save percentage to go down slightly from what it was in Vancouver. It will probably regress from those 930's just from starting more than 30 something games a year. It will also likely take a slight dive because our team gives up less shots than the Canucks, and that's one of the reasons Marty's save percentage was so low this year (And the BAD penalty killing cause he was above average at even strength) Less shots mean less of a margin for error when it comes to save percentage.

I still expect him to be well above league average though, and probably higher than what Marty's has been the last 3 years, unless the PK really lets him down like they did to both Marty and Moose this last year.

 

[tycobb]

If both guys are healthy, I'd be willing to bet Brodeur gets more starts than Schnieder. Schnieder still hasn't started 100 games in his career. He hasn't been a clear cut #1 anywhere, although I believe he would be if given the chance. He'll get that chance next year.

If Brodeur returns next season, that's when he starts giving up his starting job, IMO.

I will take that bet. Brodeur already knows he isn't going to be the starter. Schneider took 30 of the 48 games last year for Vancouver and Luongo > Brodeur at this point.

 

[apice3*]

I will take that bet. Brodeur already knows he isn't going to be the starter. Schneider took 30 of the 48 games last year for Vancouver and Luongo > Brodeur at this point.

Vancouver also wanted nothing to do with Luongo up until 24 hours ago. The Devils still love Brodeur.

 

[tycobb]

I expect Schneider's save percentage to go down slightly from what it was in Vancouver. It will probably regress from those 930's just from starting more than 30 something games a year. It will also likely take a slight dive because our team gives up less shots than the Canucks, and that's one of the reasons Marty's save percentage was so low this year (And the BAD penalty killing cause he was above average at even strength) Less shots mean less of a margin for error when it comes to save percentage.

I still expect him to be well above league average though, and probably higher than what Marty's has been the last 3 years, unless the PK really lets him down like they did to both Marty and Moose this last year.

Schneider played 1733 minutes and faced 835 shots. (.48 shots per minute played)
Marty played 1757 minutes and faced 654 shots (.37)

Schneider better be significantly better than Marty has been over the last 3 seasons. A .904 SV% isn't something that is hard to find in the FA market.

I am expecting Cory to give us a sub 2.15 GAA with a SV% > .915.

 

[apice3*]

When did I say Brodeur is a better goaltender than Schnieder?

 

[apice3*]

Oh never mind. Reply wasn't at me. My fault.

 

[tycobb]

Vancouver also wanted nothing to do with Luongo up until 24 hours ago. The Devils still love Brodeur.

Because Cory emerged as the better goalie. I would love Brodeur to go back to his prime and bet out Cory but that isn't going to happen.

One positive I took from Marty comments yesterday is that he may apparently be okay with being in a backup role even after this year.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

You can't honestly think them making the finals wasn't a fluke, the team is a bottom 1/3 of the league team and has been for past couple seasons.

you dont come within 2 games of the Cup on a fluke. making the playoffs, sure. winning a round, absolutely. but not coming within 2 OT losses of being champs, sorry.

the team lead the league in shot differential this year. had they had Schneider THIS year instead of Broder/Hedberg, they wouldve made the playoffs. and thats with losing like 10 games in a row.

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

Now that the dust has settled for almost 24 years, this may go down as one of our biggest trades in history.

The more i think about it, a 9th for a franchise goaltender is not bad. Given that he keeps up his level of play, stays here for like 10 years. A 9th is a bargain.

10+ years solid starter is a franchise goalie in my books, though cannot be really compared to Marty.

 

[Cowbell232]

I will take that bet. Brodeur already knows he isn't going to be the starter. Schneider took 30 of the 48 games last year for Vancouver and Luongo > Brodeur at this point.

You really are a self-loathing Devils fan, huh?

I don't know that you can say Luongo is better than Marty at this point, and Cory is definitely a top-level goalie in this league. But this outlook of yours is... just. Wow.

 

[DevilChuk*]

You really are a self-loathing Devils fan, huh?

I don't know that you can say Luongo is better than Marty at this point, and Cory is definitely a top-level goalie in this league. But this outlook of yours is... just. Wow.

I find it hard to say that Brodeur > Luongo at this point..

 

[BenedictGomez]

The more i think about it, a 9th for a franchise goaltender is not bad.

Not bad?

That's like saying the more I think about it, Kate Upton is not ugly.

Giving up an unproven #9 pick for one of the best goalies on the planet is outfriggin'standing.

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

Not bad?

That's like saying the more I think about it, Kate Upton is not ugly.

Giving up an unproven #9 pick for one of the best goalies on the planet is outfriggin'standing.

Finns are modest people. Sometimes i feel we only describe success by merely commenting "pretty okay".

Nokia did pretty okay in late 90s.

Jari Kurri was alright.

etc.



and just to mention, i liked this piece of news from the moment i saw it. Ive wanted Cory in NJ for a while now. More than any other goalie in the market. Dont really believe in drafting.

 

[apice3*]

I don't know that you can say Luongo is better than Marty at this point

I think it is impossible to be honest and say Marty is better than Luongo right now.

Because Cory emerged as the better goalie. I would love Brodeur to go back to his prime and bet out Cory but that isn't going to happen.

One positive I took from Marty comments yesterday is that he may apparently be okay with being in a backup role even after this year.

I'm not doubting Schnieder is better, but politics are involved.

 

[tycobb]

You really are a self-loathing Devils fan, huh?

I don't know that you can say Luongo is better than Marty at this point, and Cory is definitely a top-level goalie in this league. But this outlook of yours is... just. Wow.

I find it hard to say that Brodeur > Luongo at this point..

You guys understand why Marty was replaced on the Olympic team right? Luo is most definitely better than Marty today. After last season I doubt Marty could even play 50 games anymore with a SV% > .900.

Marty's goalie rank of best of all time isn't because how great he was but that he was great for so long. It is crazy to think he lead the league in shutouts with 9 at 37 years old. He is like the Hank Aaron of goalies.

 

[New Jersey Devils]

Ah, HFboards is truly a magical place. Where a thread about Schneider turns into Luongo vs. Brodeur

 

[DatBoyJPP]

You guys understand why Marty was replaced on the Olympic team right? Luo is most definitely better than Marty today. After last season I doubt Marty could even play 50 games anymore with a SV% > .900.

Marty's goalie rank of best of all time isn't because how great he was but that he was great for so long. It is crazy to think he lead the league in shutouts with 9 at 37 years old. He is like the Hank Aaron of goalies.

You base Luongo v Brodeur on a 6 game sample size from 3 years ago then talk about Marty's great season at age 37? You do realize how hypocritical that is right?

 

[DevilChuk*]

You guys understand why Marty was replaced on the Olympic team right? Luo is most definitely better than Marty today. After last season I doubt Marty could even play 50 games anymore with a SV% > .900.

Marty's goalie rank of best of all time isn't because how great he was but that he was great for so long. It is crazy to think he lead the league in shutouts with 9 at 37 years old. He is like the Hank Aaron of goalies.

Well it would help if you can read and realize I was agreeing with you.

Olympics is a poor example though.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

Luongo 20 GP .907 sv% 2.56 GAA 9-6-3 record
Marty 29 GP .901 sv% 2.22 GAA 13-9-7 record

I have a hard time saying Luongo > Marty considering NJ led the league with 10 OT/SO losses and were 17th in goals against totals but 28th at goal for. Vancouver was 19th in both goals against and goals for. Lack of scoring cost Marty and the Devils wins.

They both had poor years regardless from a technical standpoint.

 

[CerebralGenesis]

I'm not doubting Schnieder is better, but politics are involved.

holla at this post. it's not #NHLBrodeur14 out there.

 

[Bleedred]

Luongo wasn't that bad last year, but he had 2 games that really killed him. One game he gave up 8 goals earlier in the season, and then on the final day of the regular season he gave up 7 goals against Edmonton. I didn't see the Detroit game where he gave up 8 goals, but the Edmonton game I watched and it was just a really poor effort by the Canucks. And they also had a lot of AHL guys in the lineup that night cause they were resting guys for the playoffs. It made the type of game the Flyers play actually look competent. It wasn't that Luongo was giving up brutal goals.

If not for getting blown out those two games, Luongo finishes with a much better save percentage. There were even a couple games that really killed Marty this year. The Boston game where he gave up 5 goals on like 18 shots. He was above average at even strength this year, but his shorthanded save percentage was among the worst in the league with only Hedberg, and Carey Price being worse shorthanded.

 

[tycobb]

You base Luongo v Brodeur on a 6 game sample size from 3 years ago then talk about Marty's great season at age 37? You do realize how hypocritical that is right?

Luonge best seasons were when he was with Florida but he has settle to be one of the better goalies in the league. After the age 37 season Brodeur dropped off dramatically.

 

[tycobb]

Luongo 20 GP .907 sv% 2.56 GAA 9-6-3 record
Marty 29 GP .901 sv% 2.22 GAA 13-9-7 record

I have a hard time saying Luongo > Marty considering NJ led the league with 10 OT/SO losses and were 17th in goals against totals but 28th at goal for. Vancouver was 19th in both goals against and goals for. Lack of scoring cost Marty and the Devils wins.

They both had poor years regardless from a technical standpoint.

The sample size is too small. Look at the last 3 seasons. Luongo >> Marty.

 

[Cowbell232]

Not bad?

That's like saying the more I think about it, Kate Upton is not ugly.

Giving up an unproven #9 pick for one of the best goalies on the planet is outfriggin'standing.

Nice comparison.

I'm not doubting Schnieder is better, but politics are involved.

Don't bother trying to talk politics of sports teams with the people on HF Boards. They have no clue. I constantly try to bring up locker room stuff, and other in-house items that people over look when offering value of a player/situation but I'm laughed at. Politics goes a LONG way in a thing like this.

You base Luongo v Brodeur on a 6 game sample size from 3 years ago then talk about Marty's great season at age 37? You do realize how hypocritical that is right?

He doesn't realize it, that's part of the problem of being hypocritical. If he realized how it sounded he wouldn't have said it.