Devils 2021 team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part XXVII

[Hockey Fanatik]

I just realized no matter the standings Seattle gets 3rd overall pre-lottery

so once again the Devils likely get f***ed by circumstance. Last year Arizona robbed us of a top-10 pick, this year Im willing to bet my house on the fact that, after being bumped back a spot by Seattle and then the lottery, we pick outside the top-4

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I just realized no matter the standings Seattle gets 3rd overall pre-lottery

so once again the Devils likely get f***ed by circumstance. Last year Arizona robbed us of a top-10 pick, this year Im willing to bet my house on the fact that, after being bumped back a spot by Seattle and then the lottery, we pick outside the top-4

We’re going to get a good pick even in the worst case scenario. And we still might pass some teams if this thing really goes off the rails.

 

[Hockey Fanatik]

We’re going to get a good pick even in the worst case scenario. And we still might pass some teams if this thing really goes off the rails.

Im sure everyone will say differently since common thought is always BPA (which I whole heartedly disagree with considering people take worse positional needs over others when theyre 1A 1B most of the time)

but this draft we HAVE to be top-5. No ifs and or but. If we arent I see us missing the big-3 dmen and the big-2 forwards

 

[FooteBahl]

Seth Jones will be a UFA the off season P.K.’s contract is up...just sayin

 

[Unknown Caller]

Im sure everyone will say differently since common thought is always BPA (which I whole heartedly disagree with considering people take worse positional needs over others when theyre 1A 1B most of the time)

but this draft we HAVE to be top-5. No ifs and or but. If we arent I see us missing the big-3 dmen and the big-2 forwards

Every team is going to have the top 7 in a different order. Top 5 would be nice, but it's not necessary. You'll get a player of equivalent value at 6 that you would at 3.

 

[Unknown Caller]

Seth Jones will be a UFA the off season P.K.’s contract is up...just sayin

A lot of people (both analytics and Columbus fans) have said that Jones is massively overrated. He's probably going to get overpaid.

 

[Hockey Fanatik]

Every team is going to have the top 7 in a different order. Top 5 would be nice, but it's not necessary. You'll get a player of equivalent value at 6 that you would at 3.

Im not worried about what other teams value the picks at - theyres only six players in this draft im willing to take top-6 and the last one is my backup plan if the main five are gone

Ive never seen a draft with more chances to bust in the top-30 than this year. We better NOT take names like Eklund and Johnson who werent anywhere near a top-7 spot a year ago

 

[Eggtimer]

Every team is going to have the top 7 in a different order. Top 5 would be nice, but it's not necessary. You'll get a player of equivalent value at 6 that you would at 3.

I think this will be the case for sure. Teams top 10 lists will vary dramatically more so this year than others. There is no clear cut tiers of players and I’m sure everyone’s lists are vastly different .
I can see Seattle wanting a C or D to build around . I can’t see them going winger with their kick . I’d assume they go Powers if he is there . If we pick in the top 7 , I feel confident we will get a very good player .

Am I looking at things wrong where I think this draft will be the opposite of what people are saying ? That with the inability to scout and view theses kids will hurt the ability to find elite talent , I think there is a better chance of finding an elite player in later rounds as they have tons of potential that they have not had the chance to showcase yet. There has to be a few kids out there that would have normally had their breakout in their draft year , but were unable to have anyone view it .There are those higher profile kids that have been watched since they were in bantam or 14 years old or younger even that can be projected somewhat based off their D-1 seasons , however they are always kids who develop a tad slower and have breakout seasons in their draft year. Normally they would get noticed and snatched up in the earlier rounds. This year , I think there will be a lot of late round “gems” that are found as the scouting ability just wasn’t there. I’m glad we have the amount of picks we do , I hope we hit on some of those kids deep i the draft that would normally have gone in the first two or three rounds.

 

[TheDuke93]

Im sure everyone will say differently since common thought is always BPA (which I whole heartedly disagree with considering people take worse positional needs over others when theyre 1A 1B most of the time)

but this draft we HAVE to be top-5. No ifs and or but. If we arent I see us missing the big-3 dmen and the big-2 forwards

I find it interesting that you think its big five when most agree its the big seven.

 

[Unknown Caller]

Im not worried about what other teams value the picks at - theyres only six players in this draft im willing to take top-6 and the last one is my backup plan if the main five are gone

Ive never seen a draft with more chances to bust in the top-30 than this year. We better NOT take names like Eklund and Johnson who werent anywhere near a top-7 spot a year ago

Nico Hischier wasn't anywhere near the first pick in his D-1 year. I'm not sure what rankings in prior years when the kids are 16/17 years old have to do with anything. With that logic, we would have Nolan Patrick right now and the Flyers would have Nico.

 

[TrufleShufle]

Don't mean to bring up a well past it's prime dead horse in the losing culture/mentality debate, but I just saw this randomly and it speaks volumes.



And it comes from a former player, who's played through every scenario, talking about a team who is in the height of getting high draft picks.

It's never as simple as just picking high for a few years, there is way more that goes into it, you have to recognize the bad before it becomes ingrained for starters.

 

[TheDuke93]

Nico Hischier wasn't anywhere near the first pick in his D-1 year. I'm not sure what rankings in prior years when the kids are 16/17 years old have to do with anything. With that logic, we would have Nolan Patrick right now and the Flyers would have Nico.

IIRC in the pre season rankings he was bottom of the first and then mid season scouts said this kid's the dark hours to go 1oa.

 

[Unknown Caller]

Don't mean to bring up a well past it's prime dead horse in the losing culture/mentality debate, but I just saw this randomly and it speaks volumes.



And it comes from a former player, who's played through every scenario, talking about a team who is in the height of getting high draft picks.

It's never as simple as just picking high for a few years, you have to recognize the bad before it becomes ingrained.

Roy had a .429 winning percentage. Bednar took over and the team took off. He's just an old man yelling at a cloud there.

 

[TrufleShufle]

Roy had a .429 winning percentage. Bednar took over and the team took off. He's just an old man yelling at a cloud there.

He couldn't fix it himself, ok fine. To avoid putting words in your mouth, do you agree or disagree with what he said?

 

[Eggtimer]

Give Hoffman $8m x 1. Why not?

Because he has been a healthy scratch this year and has not played that well. I agree with you that we need a finisher, just not sure he is the one . At this point however , there is really no one else that is any better ... maybe Tatar??

 

[Unknown Caller]

He couldn't fix it himself, ok fine. To avoid putting words in your mouth, do you agree or disagree with what he said?

I don't believe that Duchene celebrating a goal had anything to do with that Colorado team losing games. So, I don't agree with what he said. He had an old school mindset and didn't like a goal celebration.

 

[Triumph]

Don't mean to bring up a well past it's prime dead horse in the losing culture/mentality debate, but I just saw this randomly and it speaks volumes.



And it comes from a former player, who's played through every scenario, talking about a team who is in the height of getting high draft picks.

It's never as simple as just picking high for a few years, there is way more that goes into it, you have to recognize the bad before it becomes ingrained for starters.

Patrick Roy didn't 'play through every scenario' - he was on one team that ever missed the playoffs, and much of his career came in the era where 16 teams made the playoffs in a 21 team league. I'd find him uniquely unqualified to talk about this sort of thing, because the reality is that 15 teams miss the playoffs now, and you've got to deal with those scenarios as a franchise now.

I think if you were trying to build a 'winning culture', you'd let Duchene know in private that this was horseshit (and it was, to be fair), instead of telling the media.

 

[Unknown Caller]

Because he has been a healthy scratch this year and has not played that well. I agree with you that we need a finisher, just not sure he is the one . At this point however , there is really no one else that is any better ... maybe Tatar??

$8 million for Hoffman is absurd. He has healthy scratch written all over him and we're just going to throw all-star caliber money at him.

 

[Eggtimer]

He couldn't fix it himself, ok fine. To avoid putting words in your mouth, do you agree or disagree with what he said?

I agree with Roy I that Duch should not have celebrated like that . I don’t agree with him coming out and saying that in a press conference though . Why would you unless you are trying to cover your own ass. That stuff is for inside the dressing room and address it there , not in the media.

 

[Eggtimer]

$8 million for Hoffman is absurd. He has healthy scratch written all over him and we're just going to throw all-star caliber money at him.

Yes I agree , I did t mean to suggest giving him 8 million . I was saying that he might be a better option than Hoffman at 8

 

[Unknown Caller]

Yes I agree , I did t mean to suggest giving him 8 million . I was saying that he might be a better option than Hoffman at 8

Agreed, I was more commenting on the original post to throw $8 million at Hoffman.

 

[TrufleShufle]

I don't believe that Duchene celebrating a goal had anything to do with that Colorado team losing games. So, I don't agree with what he said. He had an old school mindset and didn't like a goal celebration.

He clearly said down in a 4-0 game, not just goal celebrations in general... But yea, the point is Duchene celebrating that goal is the reason they lose games.... good talk.

Also, they traded him and got better.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

$8 million for Hoffman is absurd. He has healthy scratch written all over him and we're just going to throw all-star caliber money at him.

The point is the money isn't going to help you win games if you don't spend it, and Hughes isn't going to develop if he has no help. One year term there's a bunch of guys I'd be happy if the Devils added them where I don't even care what the cap hit is, the only real benefit of a lower cap hit is it makes them easier to move at the deadline

 

[TrufleShufle]

I agree with Roy I that Duch should not have celebrated like that . I don’t agree with him coming out and saying that in a press conference though . Why would you unless you are trying to cover your own ass. That stuff is for inside the dressing room and address it there , not in the media.

Oh don't get me wrong, bad look, bad coach, all of it. But the point was that being worried about a losing mentality isn't some made up thing on the internet. People who have been around the league for longer then this site existed know it.

 

[TheDuke93]

I agree with Roy I that Duch should not have celebrated like that . I don’t agree with him coming out and saying that in a press conference though . Why would you unless you are trying to cover your own ass. That stuff is for inside the dressing room and address it there , not in the media.

It goes both ways, was the celebration a bit excessive sure, should he celebrate hitting 30 goals? Absolutely.