Devils 2021 team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part XXVII

[Nico Hischier]

Jack doesn't make the strides he has made defensively without being in the NHL last year.

Maybe maybe not but we wasn’t exactly nhl ready his first year yet he still played in the nhl. He looks like a much different player this year and I expect more out of him next year

 

[Devils731]

Jack doesn't make the strides he has made defensively without being in the NHL last year.

I think player growth is dependent on player personality.

I think we are seeing that the more Hughes is challenged the more he will rise; so for Hughes I think the struggle of last year was good for him.

 

[TheDuke93]

Maybe maybe not but we wasn’t exactly nhl ready his first year yet he still played in the nhl. He looks like a much different player this year and I expect more out of him next year

Yeah I don't think that's the case. The team was flat out bad and he was never challenged before.

 

[Nico Hischier]

Yeah I don't think that's the case. The team was flat out bad and he was never challenged before.

Yeah i agree with some of the other posts. I’m just glad it didn’t hurt his development and I’m sure it also helped him having Nico around for the full season

 

[Guttersniped]

How high of an AAV and what kind of term would you guys go for on Dougie Hamilton? He turns 28 in June. Cam Robinson of EP thinks he's going to pull more than Carlson did which was 8x8. For me, that makes no sense considering 1) the flat cap and 2) Carlson is better than Dougie.

Carlson isn’t better then Hamilton.

 

[EnglishDevil]

How high of an AAV and what kind of term would you guys go for on Dougie Hamilton? He turns 28 in June. Cam Robinson of EP thinks he's going to pull more than Carlson did which was 8x8. For me, that makes no sense considering 1) the flat cap and 2) Carlson is better than Dougie.

I'm not necessarily saying we should go there, but I'd be utterly shocked if Hamilton doesn't get something comparable to what Pietrangelo got from Vegas ($8.8m x 7 years). I could definitely see Hamilton eclipsing that mark ever so slightly, but probably nothing higher than $9.5m.

 

[Guttersniped]

He's played with junk for the most part tbqh. Can't judge a kid off like 4 games.

And I will keep saying this even though no one apparently thinks it’s important but he said he never played a system like Ruff’s before. He already had to switch systems when Laviolette took over the Capitals so he’s going to be caught between systems a bit before he gets into the swing of things.

 

[mdj12784]

Fans of THIS team really can’t admit to Carlson’s talent by now?? I hope it’s just sour grapes, otherwise...

 

[TheDuke93]

Carlson isn’t better then Hamilton.

You think so?

 

[TheDuke93]

Fans of THIS team really can’t admit to Carlson’s talent by now?? I hope it’s just sour grapes, otherwise...

I think Dougie is more talented. I think he has played on worse teams his whole career. That is not to say I don't think Carlson isn't very good.

 

[Guttersniped]

You think so?

Hamilton does dumb Hamilton things occasionally and Carlson puts up more points but Carlson’s worse defensively mostly because Hamilton is an incredible possession player and Carlson isn’t.

I was responding to someone saying he shouldn’t get paid what Carlson does and that’s not true, he’s in the same tier for sure.

 

[Guttersniped]

Fans of THIS team really can’t admit to Carlson’s talent by now?? I hope it’s just sour grapes, otherwise...

My point was people shouldn’t underestimate Hamilton’s value. I didn’t think people would suddenly think a defenseman who scores 60 points in 69 games and was 2nd in Norris voting sucks. (And if the “sour grapes” is reference to Devils not drafting him I don’t give a shit, it was 2008. I don’t have the hang-ups some people seem to about every past draft pick selection.)

 

[beekay414]

Carlson isn’t better then Hamilton.

If you say so

 

[Tao Jersey Jones]

Schnarr and Seney back down to Binghamton.

 

[devilsblood]

So Foote was the leading scorer for Bing in his time there.

In 2 NHL games, 2 points, both on good/very good offensive plays.

Turns 21 in Nov. Big kid obviously.

Does he really need another year in the AHL next year? Still has to prove himself the rest of the way, but I'm hoping his play says no.

 

[Ripshot 43]

So Foote was the leading scorer for Bing in his time there.

In 2 NHL games, 2 points, both on good/very good offensive plays.

Turns 21 in Nov. Big kid obviously.

Does he really need another year in the AHL next year? Still has to prove himself the rest of the way, but I'm hoping his play says no.

I think it’s up to him and the way he plays down the stretch here. He played well in the A but not so good that you could say another year would be wasting his development. If he shows he belongs enough with the big club without looking out of place, I wouldn’t be opposed to letting him play through some of the eventual hiccups and let him learn his long term teammates.

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

So Foote was the leading scorer for Bing in his time there.

In 2 NHL games, 2 points, both on good/very good offensive plays.

Turns 21 in Nov. Big kid obviously.

Does he really need another year in the AHL next year? Still has to prove himself the rest of the way, but I'm hoping his play says no.

Yes, he does. We can’t have an entire roster of kids at the NHL level. Let him play big minutes in the minors and he’ll have more help with possibly Mercer and Holtz joining the team.

Let’s not rush our kids because they’re putting up points in meaningless games, when we’re trailing by 3 or 4 goals after 1 period.

Confidence goes a long way for these kids and if they can dominate the AHL level, it’ll show when they get called up.

 

[NJDevs26]

I suspect we’ll know the answer by the time his audition this year is done. But his goal last night was a pure goal scorers goal and points in his first two is a good start.