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Devils 2021-22 team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part XII

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Unless there is massive disappointment amongst the numerous young LHD we have there is just no future for White in NJ.

It's kind of beat for White, but organizationally he has more value in the AHL.
 
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But is that a jump in skill? Or a jump in opportunity? Do we know what kind of minutes he was getting in his draft and D+1 years? And maybe he fed off that opportunity in NJ.
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Do you think a player capable of putting up 35 points in an NHL season would not be given an opportunity to do so? I think we can guess that Bratt did not get a ton of opportunities in AIK given that he was willing to leave it for junior hockey (a very weird move at age 19) but his skill should've stood out.

And I do think what was really impressive in his rookie year, especially early, was his effort level. So did he feed off the oppurtunity, feed off the energy of a young exciting team and came out flying? That's what it looked like to me, a guy being shot out of a cannon. Perhaps after being couped up in limited opportunity back in Sweden he was bursting at the seams. I think the fact that he hit a wall later in the year plays into the idea that he was just playing at very high effort level.
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Right, he was just trying really hard. It wasn't an NHL schedule with NHL travel and him being 19 and never having played that many games before and almost certainly getting more ice time in the NHL than he was getting in the Swedish 2nd division. It was just effort.

Given his year in the Swedish Juniors where he outproduced a future top 10 pick, I think the skill was always there, the NHL just missed it. And maybe he should not have been a 1st rounder, but 6th round? Nah, the NHL whiffed.
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He outproduced a top 10 pick at age 16, plenty of guys have done that and not been anything - lots of stuff changes in a year. He did not make the Swedish WJC team in 2016-2017. I agree he should not have been a 6th round pick.
 
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Triumph said:
Do you think a player capable of putting up 35 points in an NHL season would not be given an opportunity to do so? I think we can guess that Bratt did not get a ton of opportunities in AIK given that he was willing to leave it for junior hockey (a very weird move at age 19) but his skill should've stood out.



Right, he was just trying really hard. It wasn't an NHL schedule with NHL travel and him being 19 and never having played that many games before and almost certainly getting more ice time in the NHL than he was getting in the Swedish 2nd division. It was just effort.



He outproduced a top 10 pick at age 16, plenty of guys have done that and not been anything - lots of stuff changes in a year. He did not make the Swedish WJC team in 2016-2017.
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1)What seems more unlikely? A guy wasn't given an opportunity? Or in the span of 6 months a players game improved from below average Swedish minor league player to dynamic NHL player? I'd say the latter, especially given his level of player prior to his 2 year stint with in the Swe-1.

2)I didn't say it was "just effort", but cool strawman.

3)Maybe the Swedish WJC coaches were influenced by his lack of production at AIK? Maybe it was a size concern? I don't know, I can't get into the minds of the Swedish WJC coaches. He had a decent U-18 showing, he had a good Hlinka tourney (again right there with Nylander in terms of production). But it does look like they missed it too. Very possible domino effect due to his lack of opportunity with AIK.
 
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Don't think you'll get too many Bratt-like stories - most guys are probably not going to have too many jumps in development like that - but feedback loops for improvement may be getting better across the board in a lot of domains. With the right player in the right scenario, might be easier than ever to unlock latent potential.

This kid was very clever from day one, though. You can nitpick his defensive game and perceived effort level I guess, but...you could do that for the entire team too.
 
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I believe it was written somewhere that the Devils were going to take him in the 5th round but decided they needed to take a defenseman, and then he was still there in the 6th. Still, he was ticketed for junior hockey in 2017 - he just had an incredible jump in skill between 2016-17 and 2017-18 and has continued to go up from there.
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If I recall correctly, him and Alex Nylander were on a junior team or tournament together with very similar production. Nylander obviously went top 10 after a strong year in the OHL. Bratt had a good but not great year in the second Swedish division and fell to the sixth round.

Was definitely a case of pre-draft year scouting paying off. In the late rounds it’s always better to swing for guys like this, Gritsyuk being another great example.
 
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I was gonna see the Devils/Habs game on its original date, but that obviously didn't happen. I wouldn't have gone even if they had played. It should be better on its new date, so I better find two friends.
 
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Phew, the April road trip stayed intact. Holding out hope to see the games in Dallas and Seattle.
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It seems rather odd that someone from the "Dark side" would suggested praying? Maybe that was the first indication that the dark side wasn't all that powerful? Just some thought.
 
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I was gonna see the Devils/Habs game on its original date, but that obviously didn't happen. I wouldn't have gone even if they had played. It should be better on its new date, so I better find two friends.
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I’ll pay the beers if you have an extra ticket lol
 

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devilsblood said:
Unless there is massive disappointment amongst the numerous young LHD we have there is just no future for White in NJ.

It's kind of beat for White, but organizationally he has more value in the AHL.
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Sure, his present has been better than Smith though.
 
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11. Andreas Johnsson

Likelihood of a trade: Medium.

NHL Trade Deadline Big Board: John Klingberg, Jakob Chychrun and 28 others who could be dealt

If the price is right, I'd be ready to trade him.
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Usually complementary wingers don't fetch too much, but it might not be a bad idea to alleviate our LW overload and open up a spot for Holtz/Thompson (or another pickup next season).

Anaheim is in a weird spot where they probably weren't expecting to be in a playoffs spot, so now they might feel compelled to add instead of dangling their UFAs. Johnsson makes a little less than his actual cap hit, so that might be mildly attractive for a budget team like the Ducks. Henrique got put in IR in December and I hadn't seen any updates for him, so they might be looking for a middle six forward in the mean time.
 
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He's not a core piece, so I agree with you. For the right return I think we would consider moving him. I'm just not sure what that return would be, since I don't think we are looking to sell for pure futures at this point in our rebuilding cycle.
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If we are selling him for futures I'd rather just hold onto him. I think at some point we need to move forward without lottery tickets unless somehow he fetches a first which I don't see happening.
 
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If we are selling him for futures I'd rather just hold onto him. I think at some point we need to move forward without lottery tickets unless somehow he fetches a first which I don't see happening.
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I agree. If we’re not getting a better option in return, we should keep him and actually add another winger to replace Kuokkanen on that line with Mercer.

We can’t be sending guys away for picks every year or else we’ll be in a continuous rebuild. The guys is our 2nd best winger, so removing him from our lineup shouldn’t be an option atm.
 
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I dont like idea to trade anyone for picks, unless first rounds. It`s better to trade for prospects. Atleast they are closer to NHL.
Or trade for picks with plan to trade picks as a part of big trade for much better player.
 
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