Devils 2018-19 team discussion (news and notes) - camp begins!

[JimEIV]

maybe he means "prove yourself before you get a big contract. it's not 'pay you first, perform later'"

He was 4th on the team in goals and 30th (26th among skaters) on the team in ATOI with 12:28.

The only players that averaged less time were Hayes, Rooney, Lappin and Pietila...Wood scored 19 goals with 12:28 of average ice time.

Wood had more even strength goals that Palmieri did.

Pay the man his money.

 

[Cheddabombs]

I wasn't the GM nor scouting director

You're reply didn't address the question. when can we expect production from PZ?

then don't bring other players up, it's irrelevant.

just wait, this could be the year.

 

[My3Sons]

PZ needs to step already.
Rantenan had 84 points last season

Can we expect 40+ points from PZ?

While I agree with you it would be great for PZ to take the next step, my posts being better than yours isn’t the reason yours need to improve. Your posts should be judged on their own merit as should PZ’s progress.

 

[My3Sons]

He was 4th on the team in goals and 30th (26th among skaters) on the team in ATOI with 12:28.

The only players that averaged less time were Hayes, Rooney, Lappin and Pietila...Wood scored 19 goals with 12:28 of average ice time.

Wood had more even strength goals that Palmieri did.

Pay the man his money.

What would you give him on a six year deal? Or what deal would you consider fair to the player as you’ve highlighted some legit numbers?

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

While I agree with you it would be great for PZ to take the next step, my posts being better than yours isn’t the reason yours need to improve. Your posts should be judged on their own merit as should PZ’s progress.

The measuring stick nonsense is beyond old.

Again, go ask Flyers fans what they thought of Couturier after his 20/21-year-old season.

 

[HenriquesJawLine]

What would you give him on a six year deal? Or what deal would you consider fair to the player as you’ve highlighted some legit numbers?

Those rate numbers are the reasons he probably doesn't want a 6 year deal

 

[Billdo]

even if that is what he meant, he would be considered “a top prospect” on any number of teams. look, to say he’s not (which is actually one of the kinder things this guy has said about mcleod) means his opinions of our prospects, to me, are suspect.

it’s hard to reconcile people’s patience with zacha and impatience with mcleod. and that’s not a knock on zacha

I would imagine it's less than a dozen teams where he'd be a top prospect. Admittedly I'm not high on him nor have I ever been but I'm not one of these posters that says he's a bust. I just haven't been thrilled with him.

 

[Devils Dominion]

While I agree with you it would be great for PZ to take the next step, my posts being better than yours isn’t the reason yours need to improve. Your posts should be judged on their own merit as should PZ’s progress.

Say what???

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

wonder what you guys would say if Zacha broke into the league at 20-21 as most young NHL forwards do nowadays

but since he played earlier than we probably would have hoped due to poor NHL depth when he started, he is labeled a bust by some on here

makes total sense.

REMINDER- he will be 21 years old for the entire 2018-19 season.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

Say what???

His point is to stop arbitrarily comparing Zacha’s production to other players who have clearly and obviously outproduced him. The measuring stick crap is so, so old.

Sean Couturier.

 

[MadDevil]

He was 4th on the team in goals and 30th (26th among skaters) on the team in ATOI with 12:28.

The only players that averaged less time were Hayes, Rooney, Lappin and Pietila...Wood scored 19 goals with 12:28 of average ice time.

Wood had more even strength goals that Palmieri did.

Pay the man his money.

It's not unreasonable for management to want to see him do it again before committing serious money/term to him though. Besides, he has no leverage. He might as well sign the deal, then play his ass off and force the team to give him the contract he's looking for.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Nas is the head coach in MTL tomorrow

 

[Devils Dominion]

If 90-37-21 is actually a thing, I see no issue in expecting 40 points from Zacha. He's more than capable of it.

PZ on the right circle on the PP too

 

[R8Devs]

I think based on practice these are some of the lines/d-pairings that are going to be used in the games tomorrow:
Against NYR:
Hall-Hischier-Bratt
Greene-Vatanen

Against Montreal:
Johansson-Zacha-Palmieri
Mueller-Severson
Butcher-Lovejoy

 

[BenedictGomez]

wonder what you guys would say if Zacha broke into the league at 20-21 as most young NHL forwards do nowadays


REMINDER- he will be 21 years old for the entire 2018-19 season.

I've been making this point for a while.

At some point last season I started wondering if I had a good point or if I was just hoping.

 

[JimEIV]

It's not unreasonable for management to want to see him do it again before committing serious money/term to him though. Besides, he has no leverage. He might as well sign the deal, then play his ass off and force the team to give him the contract he's looking for.

If that is the thought process they shouldn't have burned his first ELC year in 2015-16...That's coming back to bite them.

 

[Triumph]

If that is the thought process they shouldn't have burned his first ELC year in 2015-16...That's coming back to bite them.

It's really not. It's why they burned that year in the first place.

 

[Billdo]

If that is the thought process they shouldn't have burned his first ELC year in 2015-16...That's coming back to bite them.

How though? He has zero leverage. Sign and show them you're deserving a longer or more money deal. Regardless I feel he's digging a hole that will ultimately lead to him not being here forever.

 

[JimEIV]

It's really not. It's why they burned that year in the first place.

I'm not following you? Wood only has 3 years of RFA remaining... I'm sure that they only want to do 2 and Wood wants more... it would appear to me that it is either 2 or buy UFA years.

My post that you responded to was in reference to the notion of "prove it".

 

[JimEIV]

How though? He has zero leverage. Sign and show them you're deserving a longer or more money deal. Regardless I feel he's digging a hole that will ultimately lead to him not being here forever.

Scoring 19 goals, 16 even strength largely from the 4th line averaging 12 minutes is not proving it?

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I would love to know what those criticizing management should do re: Wood

he is an RFA with no arbitration rights. He has no leverage. Shero shouldn't just give in to the player, especially considering they did the player a favor by starting his UFA clock earlier by having him burn that 1 game a few years back.

 

[Emperoreddy]

My biggest takeaway from the first days of camp is that John Hynes is on a mission and he's not messing around.

Man he just sounds so determined and so thorough in his work to make sure this team doesn't take a step back this year.

Just from the things he says and how he says them just make me trust this whole process. He's really a good coach and we're lucky to have him.

That interview from yesterday is well worth the whole 13 minutes.

Also sounds like he is putting them through the ringer the last couple of days.

Bringing out the football pads seemed like a unique idea.

 

[MadDevil]

I wasn't really even talking about RFA years so much as I think they'd like to see more than one good year from him before giving him a longer term contract. Plus they know they have all the leverage, and pretty much every GM in this league is going use that kind of leverage in negotiations.

 

[JimEIV]

I wasn't really even talking about RFA years so much as I think they'd like to see more than one good year from him before giving him a longer term contract. Plus they know they have all the leverage, and pretty much every GM in this league is going use that kind of leverage in negotiations.

One good year? He's only played one full year. He still should be an RFA...That was Shero's decision.

 

[NJDevs26]

I guess Triumph means if Shero didn't give him the extra year towards RFA, he'd probably have had more of a case to ask for a bigger raise on his next deal after this season when he would have become RFA.

And I don't think a few goals means Wood's proven anything, especially when there are other metrics teams look at these days. He had a great first half then tailed off, heck he got less than ten minutes a game in the last three playoff games.