And that's why we suck. We have a unproven rookie labeled as our 3rd/4th best dman. I really don't mind having Santini on our 3rd pair and increase his minutes according to his play. We're in no rush and I'd rather send Lovejoy to the wolves over our rookie.
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And that's why we suck. We have a unproven rookie labeled as our 3rd/4th best dman. I really don't mind having Santini on our 3rd pair and increase his minutes according to his play. We're in no rush and I'd rather send Lovejoy to the wolves over our rookie.
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b-b-but eye test
imagine if he had a better supporting cast. more points, less Shots against
he's a 2D in the league
imagine if he had a better supporting cast. more points, less Shots against
he's a 2D in the league
Are those stats really indicative of his level of play compared to other NHL'ers, since he probably gets more prime opportunities cause of our lack of talent/depth compared to more stacked rosters?
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The stats were for all Defensemen that played over 1250 5v5 minutes last season. Being that is all 5v5 minutes you have to assume that opportunities are similar based on the high number of minutes being used as a threshold.
For reference...
Ryan Suter led the league among Dmen in 5v5 time with 1689:05, Severson was 52nd with 1350:37
Only 82 Dmen in the league played 1250 5v5 minutes or more.
Those stats are inflated by a bit because they are cutting out players that are obviously better but didn't meet the 5on5 requirements.
quick look puts the following players disqualified:
Kris Letang, Jacob Trouba, John Carlson, Hampus Lindholm, Tyler Myers, Erik Johnson, Andy Greene, Toby Enstrom, Dmitri Kulikov, Andrei Markov, Sami Vatenen, Aaron Ekblad, Chris Tanev, Andy Greene, Travis Hamonic, and Trevor Daley.
...And those are just the guys who got more TOI/G than Severson
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TOI is a bit misleading also... special teams can substantially change those numbers. Looking at 5v5 tell a better story.
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Around September 13th or 14th. It's usually the Thursday or Friday of that week, which falls on the 14th or 15 of September. I thought I remembered reading that physicals would be on the 12th or 13th of September, with rookies reporting a week before that.
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Understandable, I was just hoping to stick Lovejoy there. With less minutes he may turn out to be decent.
His numbers werent awful. but I watched a lot of Nashville last season throughout the year, and the difference between them in the regular season and the playoffs was night and day.
Rinne spent a lot of time on the bench in a lot of games after being pulled.
But when Subban was in there and playing at his level, they we're successful. As good as Josi, Ellis and Eckholm are, none of em are on that level.
The point remains the same though. Cory, like Rinne, is a very good goalie. Not Quick or Lundqvist level, but still fully capable of starting 65-70 games and doing well throughout, but the defense makes the difference in a goalie having a bad to average season or a good to really good one.
If Nashville's defense plays next year the way they played during the playoffs, Rinne will win the Vezina.
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A lot of this board doesn't understand this concept. Don't even bother. It's a waste of time.
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Severson was 3rd on the team in average ice time, so its not like he was playing 25 minutes/night
plus those stats are per 60 minutes so I am not really sure what youre arguing?
plus those stats are per 60 minutes so I am not really sure what youre arguing?
I'm just pointing out players that have not met the 1250 5 on 5 minutes requirements - whether its because they were injured and/or got significant special teams time. Nobody in their right mind will say Severson is better than Letang or Carlson yet using those rankings suggest otherwise. You can probably safely drop him 10-20 spots in each category to make up for this discrepancy.
I'm not trying to prove any points regarding Severson's abilities - Just giving a warning to people that may have overlooked this issue.
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Let camp decide who plays where and it's not like Santini hasn't played NHL games before. He does have some experience.
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You don't think Severson is better than Greene, Kulikov, Enstrom, and Daley? There are other guys on that list that are debatable but I wouldn't want a GM that considers those four guys to be better options than Severson even if you take out age/contract factors.
How is Cory not better than Quick? Cory has the third best save percentage of all time. This last season was the only season Quick beat him in that category. And the Devils don't have a system like the Kings did under Sutter nor a defenseman like Doughty.
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Rinne doesn't play very good from year to year because he's not very good anymore. He's been inconsistent from year to since the last lockout.
Quick isn't that great. Aside from last year Cory has been better for most of their careers. Don't let his 2012 playoffs fool you.
This guy finally exposed us - gotta drop the pretense now.
Yes, Severson is better than Larsson.
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This isn't Oilerland, let's not overrate Larsson.
If you drink enough of that oil spiked kool aid, pretty soon you'll start to think that Larsson is also better at his position than Taylor Hall is.
Just because our defense sucks doesn't mean that we don't have any good defenseman. Severson is a number 2 defenseman. Maybe Greene is a number 4. Everyone else is either bottom pairing or non-NHL caliber. I'm talking Lovejoy if he plays like he did last season. Santini looks like he could be a top 4 guy, with the data from last year.
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I also do not see the point in comparing Severson and Larsson. They are both righties and thats really where the comparison ends.
Larsson is an exceptional positional DMan who has a lack of foot speed and offense.
Severson is a very good puck mover who struggles defensively but can skate decently well.
Larsson is an exceptional positional DMan who has a lack of foot speed and offense.
Severson is a very good puck mover who struggles defensively but can skate decently well.
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I see it stated in so many articles that Santini had a bad or bleh season, and I have no idea what they're talking about. Not his fault he didn't get ice time and kept getting sat for scrubs like Prout.
His on ice results were very encouraging. Merrill even started playing decent once they put them together, something I thought was impossible.
His on ice results were very encouraging. Merrill even started playing decent once they put them together, something I thought was impossible.
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The game really needs to morph into the day where "Safer" players are not automatically considered the better players. I wish this would change among fans, but mostly it needed to change among GM's and coaches like 10-15 years ago, if not longer.
This is why too many people believe Larsson is better than Severson and that Weber is better than Subban, and that Doughty is better than basically everybody.
Half of today's hockey watching populous probably would have thought Bobby Orr was a bad defensive player. I'm actually shocked that more people don't make Erik Karlsson out to be this defensive liability, since he's not one of these "Safe" guys.
This is why too many people believe Larsson is better than Severson and that Weber is better than Subban, and that Doughty is better than basically everybody.
Half of today's hockey watching populous probably would have thought Bobby Orr was a bad defensive player. I'm actually shocked that more people don't make Erik Karlsson out to be this defensive liability, since he's not one of these "Safe" guys.
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