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While we're discussing this, I mean, who was the genius to come up with the game plan that our D needs to be more aggressive and take higher risks? Games 3-4 had the Rangers with a slight edge in scoring chances in game 3 and about even in game 4. Why play to the Devils strength, ie... rush, with a strategy like that?

Brain. Dead. Coaching.
 
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irishlaxburger2 said:
I'm not shocked at all that this team could be "figured out". Despite everyone wanting to believe it was tiredness that did us in last year, Tampa actually figured us out too. There's a reason we couldn't score in the second half of that series and why games are looking extremely similar in this series. If you can get a lead on this team and then clog the neutral zone, they are completely inept 5v5. Their only chance at scoring is on the PP, which runs hot and cold.

This team follows (likely due to our tactics being catered to) Artemi Panarin's lead in terms of playing style. It's soft, finesse, east/west hockey. And if a team can figure out how to shut that down, this team has zero ability to find offense 5v5 in any other way. God forbid you ask us to try to play a dump-and-chase game. That's just laughable to watch. We aren't built to muck it up and score "ugly" goals.

One adjustment Gallant could try to make (and has) is activating the D more through the neutral zone and offensively to try to create additional support and pressure. But the problem vs. both Tampa and the Devils is that their best offensive players then become huge odd-man rush threats the other way. This is why the entire 3rd period felt like odd-man chance after odd-man chance against the Rangers.

This Devils team was always going to be a nightmare match-up for us, simply because of how one-dimensional we are.
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Nailed it.
 
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haohmaru said:
While we're discussing this, I mean, who was the genius to come up with the game plan that our D needs to be more aggressive and take higher risks? Games 3-4 had the Rangers with a slight edge in scoring chances in game 3 and about even in game 4. Why play to the Devils strength, ie... rush, with a strategy like that?

Brain. Dead. Coaching.
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We're clearly getting desperate in trying to create any sort of legitimate scoring opportunities against Schmid. Potentially at the expense of odd-man rushes the other way against the top rush team in the league.
 
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HockeyBasedNYC said:
This series sucks btw.

I was expecting close games and entertaining hockey and im sorry, even if youre a Devils fan, besides the joy of beating your arch rivals, the level of hockey has been shit.

The Devils have made some nice adjustments, no doubt. Gotta give them credit. Ruff starting Schmid was a shot to change shit up and wake his team up, but it worked out much better than even he anticipated, im sure.

But this is more about the Rangers having no pushback/answer/gumption/fire/will the last 2 games specifically than it is the Devils forcing their will on the games.

Thats what makes this thing so damn disappointing and depressing. The Rangers are so much better than this and they've completely fallen asleep.

I would have a much easier time accepting the fact that the Rangers lost some close games, maybe in OT showing some heart. Maybe some Devil come backs, a bad bounce, a bad call.... Game 3 was the closest thing to that, but it still wasnt close enough to what you want to see from a LOADED team gunning for a Cup. It's like the top 6 are just going through the motions and counting the periods until they can fly away and land on some beach somewhere.

And yeah, you could say that of course they care, of course they want to win and extend this run... but it sure doesnt look that way. How can you explain how this team goes from what we say in Game 2 to what we are seeing now? Complacency? The Devils miraculous adjustments? They are a very good team. The favorites in this series going in based on points, but not from performance over the last 1/2 of the season and especially not on paper when you consider the goaltending matchup.

It already feels like this series is over. The one thing i do know is if the Rangers have any shot of crawling back into this, they need to score first in the Garden. It def wont be the cure-all, but goddamn it they need some kind of confidence to get them up and out of this... funk... or whatever the f*** it is.
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I agree with this analysis, but I have a question. Why does this make the Devils a particularly bad matchup for us? I was more concerned about their speed and our forwards not being able to support the D enough.

Any team can figure out how to neutralize the Rangers overarching play style. I think several other teams are even better suited to neutralizing it than the Devils are. The Devils are not a particularly well structured defensive team, and goaltending continued to look like a question mark before Schmid came in and settled the whole situation down.

I feel like I’ve been on the vanguard when it came to concerns and complaints about Panarin. I was vocal about not wanting to add Kane to the mix as well, but softened my stance a bit when the actual cost became known.

The NHL playoffs are dead f***ing simple. Crash the net. Cause havoc. Stir shit up. Get lucky bounces. We’ve known this forever. Bringing Trochek in was supposed to help in that regard (compared to Strome who I hated). Why we didn’t find someone with speed to do this across from Panarin continues to befuddle me.
 
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Crease said:
I see a lot of complaints about Drury. Are the problems with the roster legacy Gorton/JD issues, or Drury issues?
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How the hell can some of the problems not be laid at Drury's feet? Yes he inherited a lot of these contracts and players but his summer of terror 2021 is part of the reason why this team is in the predicament it is, with many futures going out the door as well because of it.
 
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haohmaru said:
Actually, quite normal since 2005-6.
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This is why I can't blame the d and goalie. They Rangers have put a solid defense and goalie on the ice for 2 decades now. I'm sorry, but they aren't the problem. And no, the goalie alone isn't enough to get those numbers. There are 6 other guys that help out a lot. No one is an island in a consistent movement based team sport.

It's the forwards. Its been the forwards the whole time. Whether that be development, amatuer scouting, pro scouting, skills coach, grit, whatever. Its the forwards. There are 12 of them. Only 7 of the other guys. (6 D + 1 G)

It is a wonder to me that people dislike the Rangers so much. They never win. They never have the assholes of the league. They are never a fierce team. Why the dislike? This team is vanilla and has been forever which is why they lose.

And maybe that has something to do with it. The players that play for us don't like us. They don't really want the team to succeed cause they probably grew up hating this f***ing team in the first place. They go out there, go through the motions and collect their money. Need to find us some Tkachuks/Marchands/Gallaghers/Kucherovs/etc. You have to hate to lose or else you won't win.
 
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MrAlmost said:
This is why I can't blame the d and goalie. They Rangers have put a solid defense and goalie on the ice for 2 decades now. I'm sorry, but they aren't the problem. And no, the goalie alone isn't enough to get those numbers. There are 6 other guys that help out a lot. No one is an island in a consistent movement based team sport.

It's the forwards. Its been the forwards the whole time. Whether that be development, amatuer scouting, pro scouting, skills coach, grit, whatever. Its the forwards. There are 12 of them. Only 7 of the other guys. (6 D + 1 G)

It is a wonder to me that people dislike the Rangers so much. They never win. They never have the assholes of the league. They are never a fierce team. Why the dislike? This team is vanilla and has been forever which is why they lose.

And maybe that has something to do with it. The players that play for us don't like us. They don't really want the team to succeed cause they probably grew up hating this f***ing team in the first place. They go out there, go through the motions and collect their money. Need to find us some Tkachuks/Marchands/Gallaghers/Kucherovs/etc. You have to hate to lose or else you won't win.
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I think Fox is the only player of that ilk. Maybe Trouba as well but he's too slow and dumb to be a good player.
 
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Synergy27 said:
I agree with this analysis, but I have a question. Why does this make the Devils a particularly bad matchup for us? I was more concerned about their speed and our forwards not being able to support the D enough.

Any team can figure out how to neutralize the Rangers overarching play style. I think several other teams are even better suited to neutralizing it than the Devils are. The Devils are not a particularly well structured defensive team, and goaltending continued to look like a question mark before Schmid came in and settled the whole situation down.

I feel like I’ve been on the vanguard when it came to concerns and complaints about Panarin. I was vocal about not wanting to add Kane to the mix as well, but softened my stance a bit when the actual cost became known.

The NHL playoffs are dead f***ing simple. Crash the net. Cause havoc. Stir shit up. Get lucky bounces. We’ve known this forever. Bringing Trochek in was supposed to help in that regard (compared to Strome who I hated). Why we didn’t find someone with speed to do this across from Panarin continues to befuddle me.
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Simply the threat of their speed causes us to have an inability to change our game much in response to their adjustments.

If the Devils did what they're doing to us (ie. clogging up the neutral zone) against the Bruins, the Bruins would simply switch to a dump-and-chase style and likely have success. Because they're built to play that way too. The Bruins can beat you in a wide open game or in a tight checking ugly game. We can't win in an ugly hockey game because our top 6 is incapable of putting the puck in deep, controlling the puck down low in the corners, and creating offense that way. Our top 6 is a one-trick pony.

So our only real counter to the Devils clogging the neutral zone is overwhelming them with numbers by adding D to the rush. But that's where we put ourselves in a huge risk position against their speed, because any turnover can turn into an off-man rush the other way. This is less of a concern against a team like Carolina because they don't have the speed and skill where odd-man rushes are as plentiful or as dangerous.

The Devils are a nightmare matchup because they can beat us in an up-tempo game *or* a slow, grind-it-out game.
 
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Losing to a good team sucks to one level but this is so much worse. They just looked absolutely lifeless and awful the last two. No hustle, no fire. Just nobody making anything happen despite the glut of talent. Really bad.

I wouldn’t be shocked if they end up winning this in 7 but damn I’m way, way less optimistic about them making an actual run than I was before.
 
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irishlaxburger2 said:
Simply the threat of their speed causes us to have an inability to change our game much in response to their adjustments.

If the Devils did what they're doing to us (ie. clogging up the neutral zone) against the Bruins, the Bruins would simply switch to a dump-and-chase style and likely have success. Because they're built to play that way too. The Bruins can beat you in a wide open game or in a tight checking ugly game. We can't win in an ugly hockey game because our top 6 is incapable of putting the puck in deep, controlling the puck down low in the corners, and creating offense that way. Our top 6 is a one-trick pony.

So our only real counter to the Devils clogging the neutral zone is overwhelming them with numbers by adding D to the rush. But that's where we put ourselves in a huge risk position against their speed, because any turnover can turn into an off-man rush the other way. This is less of a concern against a team like Carolina because they don't have the speed and skill where odd-man rushes are as plentiful or as dangerous.

The Devils are a nightmare matchup because they can beat us in an up-tempo game *or* a slow, grind-it-out game.
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Yeah. They are proving that now. But honestly heading into the series I didn’t think that was the case. The Devils are really surprising me by showing that they can win this was.
 
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Yeah. They are proving that now. But honestly heading into the series I didn’t think that was the case. The Devils are really surprising me by showing that they can win this was.
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you are right, they are proving you can play terribly but win because the team you are playing have decided to play even worse
 
MrAlmost said:
This is why I can't blame the d and goalie. They Rangers have put a solid defense and goalie on the ice for 2 decades now. I'm sorry, but they aren't the problem. And no, the goalie alone isn't enough to get those numbers. There are 6 other guys that help out a lot. No one is an island in a consistent movement based team sport.

It's the forwards. Its been the forwards the whole time. Whether that be development, amatuer scouting, pro scouting, skills coach, grit, whatever. Its the forwards. There are 12 of them. Only 7 of the other guys. (6 D + 1 G)

It is a wonder to me that people dislike the Rangers so much. They never win. They never have the assholes of the league. They are never a fierce team. Why the dislike? This team is vanilla and has been forever which is why they lose.

And maybe that has something to do with it. The players that play for us don't like us. They don't really want the team to succeed cause they probably grew up hating this f***ing team in the first place. They go out there, go through the motions and collect their money. Need to find us some Tkachuks/Marchands/Gallaghers/Kucherovs/etc. You have to hate to lose or else you won't win.
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Because the idiots in our fanbase make it seem like we're the Yankees of hockey when in reality we have the history of the Jets.
 
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how about we break up the lines? that haven't worked 5v5 nearly all season?

The entire top9 needs to be shuffled.

Panarin Zibs Kakko
Laffy Trocheck Tank
Kreider Chytil Kane

and Mika needs to cut his hair. Kids spread out throughout the lineup.
 
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Ruggs225 said:
Why do i have the feeling that Gallants solution will involve moving Vesey into the top 6
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He should have been there the whole year. He was good to great on both the Z line and the Tro line depending on where he was used. The problem was getting Kane. We didn't need Kane and fans convinced themselves we couldnt possibly have Vesey in the top 9 cause reasons and stuff. Despite the fact that we were better when we got Tank and had Vesey up there.

We needed to get a fast and capable 4th line center. Not Kane. Maybe this summer we can fix that and acquire Nico Sturm like we should have.
 
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