Post-Game Talk: Devil IV

[rangersfansince08]

As far as me picking on the bottom 4 defense, I don't think Miller is not a useful player. Hell, you could say the same about Mikkola.

The problem is that we're asking both guys to be the puck mover on their pair.

Trouba and Trouba's son Braden have to go.

People talk about Panarin because of the cap hit. We could have that discussion and I'm not saying it's either-or, but let's apply that same logic to Trouba.

You could have 11.6m and spend that entire hit trying (probably failing) to replace Panarin's objectively large contribution to a team that already has questionable scoring, or you could have 8m, get some Schmuck who moves the puck an NHL level to form an effective pair with Miller, and bank the savings.

11.6 but the player is impossible to replace or 8 and a trained seal could do what he does. Do the math.

But Gorton said every successful playoff team has guys like Schneider ..

But seriously we need puck moving defenseman. Its crazy how big a leash Schneider had but we didn't give Jones a fair shake.

If we could get rid of both Panarin AND Trouba that would be optimal. goodrow too. thats 11.6+8+3.6 = 23.2

 

[HANK30]

Which is nuts as the game 3 stonewall had the perfect excuse of not researching Schmid enough. By game 4 they should gave figured his game and pounce on rebounds.

The one goal they got yesterday was when Trocheck was in front of the net and they got Schmid moving right to left...hey, who would have thought that would work.

 

[Machinehead]

so what's the solution? We refuse to get more PMD, our forwards all have issues 5 on 5. kids are busts. how do we get out of this?

We don't unless the Rangers stop building their defense corps like it's 1970.

Our forwards don't have issues 5 on 5 when Adam Fox also happens to be on the ice.

We literally don't have a rush offense the 35 to 40 minutes he's not and we blame the effort of the forwards because they're not just pushing four defenders out of the way.

Even if the bottom two pairs manage to exit the zone, we're staring at a 1-4 by the time we cross center ice.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

Just once I would like to see Igor get a shutout or let in only 1 in the playoffs. That second goal can't happen by that slug.

Playing like they don't want to win...ok then lose

 

[rangersfansince08]

We don't unless the Rangers stop building their defense corps like it's 1970.

Our forwards don't have issues 5 on 5 when Adam Fox also happens to be on the ice.

We literally don't have a rush offense the 35 to 40 minutes he's not and we blame the effort of the forwards because they're not just pushing four defenders out of the way.

Even if the bottom two pairs manage to exit the zone, we're staring at a 1-4 by the time we cross center ice.

I hope its more Gallant than Drury because Drury isn't going anywhere. And yeah you are probably right the bulk of the 5 on 5 issues are D related but I'd still like to see the overpassing and net avoidance from some of them go away.

 

[qwertyaas]

The one goal they got yesterday was when Trocheck was in front of the net and they got Schmid moving right to left...hey, who would have thought that would work.

For one, everyone

Hope they bring Vally in the room after that pile of . He was ripping into their game and I really like his analysis.

 

[Machinehead]

I hope its more Gallant than Drury because Drury isn't going anywhere. And yeah you are probably right the bulk of the 5 on 5 issues are D related but I'd still like to see the overpassing and net avoidance from some of them go away.

The overpassing would go away if actual quality chances presented themselves. Nobody complained about it in the first two games. And again, I don't how people believe professionals at the highest level have the option to be more effective and are just going "nah."

 

[Atax]

We don't unless the Rangers stop building their defense corps like it's 1970.

Our forwards don't have issues 5 on 5 when Adam Fox also happens to be on the ice.

We literally don't have a rush offense the 35 to 40 minutes he's not and we blame the effort of the forwards because they're not just pushing four defenders out of the way.

Even if the bottom two pairs manage to exit the zone, we're staring at a 1-4 by the time we cross center ice.

God that one shift where Schneider shit his pants with zero pressure was quite telling. I agree with what your saying, but some of our top guys were straight awful. They deserve equal amounts of blame too. Watching Panarin try to pass it through 4 defenders over and over was painful. Trocheck was a disappearing act this entire series until this goal. Mika has contributed nothing.

 

[Crease]

If they burn out in the first round, do you stick with this core? Panarin continues to feel like a problem, but it’s hard to find 100 point players let alone the “right” ones.

 

[McRanger92]

I'm down on the team and disappointed with their no-show last night, but its 2-2. It's nowhere we havent been as fans. Regroup and win at MSG West. Would not shock me in the slightest to see us win this series still but they need to up the intensity several notches.

 

[rangersfansince08]

The overpassing would go away if actual quality chances presented themselves. Nobody complained about it in the first two games. And again, I don't how people believe professionals at the highest level have the option to be more effective and are just going "nah."

are there any cheap PMD you have in mind that could help us?

 

[pld459666]

I thought the team played good enough to win in Game 3...then Gallant makes them change their game plan in game 4 and they start shooting from the perimeter all night instead of getting in front of the net and being physical. The Rangers have played well in 3 of 4 games this series. They let Akira whatever his name is get in their head yesterday and he's just a 22-year-old kid. They need to go back to whatever worked for games 1-2.

They play a finesse oriented game and are not accustomed to playing in the slot.

It's not in the DNA for the most part.

 

[qwertyaas]

If they burn out in the first round, do you stick with this core? Panarin continues to feel like a problem, but it’s hard to find 100 point players let alone the “right” ones.

What choice do they have? Chytil/Kakko/Laf aren't ready to step up and this org won't give them the minutes to see what their ceilings really are.

So we are stuck in perpetual mediocrity with the kids, and FA plugs that we rely to carry the team while eating away at our whole cap.

 

[Machinehead]

I watch Siegenthaler do things on defense and I'm like "you can do that?" Not even Dougie Hamilton - Jonas Siegenthaler.

Our defense's inability to skate and exit quickly in this era of hockey is astounding.

Even with Fox, the specific things I'm looking for are the most average parts of his game.

 

[McRanger92]

are there any cheap PMD you have in mind that could help us?

Zac Jones. The fact that he wasnt given a chance this year over Harpur was a bad move by the organization.

 

[Machinehead]

God that one shift where Schneider shit his pants with zero pressure was quite telling. I agree with what your saying, but some of our top guys were straight awful. They deserve equal amounts of blame too. Watching Panarin try to pass it through 4 defenders over and over was painful. Trocheck was a disappearing act this entire series until this goal. Mika has contributed nothing.

I could see the argument that Panarin, especially Panarin, needs to do something else, but the root of the problem is that there's always 4 defenders by the time he gets it.

If the PP has a normal one, we sweep this series, and that I put on the top guys.

 

[qwertyaas]

I watch Siegenthaler do things on defense and I'm like "you can do that?" Not even Dougie Hamilton - Jonas Siegenthaler.

Our defense's inability to skate and exit quickly in this era of hockey is astounding.

Even with Fox, the specific things I'm looking for are the most average parts of his game.

Remember that guy Pionk that we dumped? This org has zero eye for offensive talent nor can it develop it. They are too stuck on old time hockey that is no longer relevant. Case in point, dumping McD for a snickers bar and chasing Trouba.

The only way we get offensive talent is already developed and it's ridiculous.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

The Rangers played that game last night like it was a reg season game against the Blue Jackets in January.

Its incredible to me how that can happen

 

[chosen]

A couple of days ago a lot of people here were explaining it's Rangers in 4 or 5.

Those same people are now saying the team sucks.

The Devils played a great game and look like they're going to be a pain for years.

Hughes is already the 2nd best forward in the league and reminded me of Gretzky in that game.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

The cup is hard to win dude. There are 12 teams that have never won it and some have been around a long time, not to mention teams like Isles -40 years, Toronto -55 years, Philly - 48 years. That's half the league right there. The Rangers just had 2 straight 105+ point seasons and a trip to the ECF last year. They are still talented and a relatively young team who didn't give up any top prospects. There is plenty of hope for the future. I thought you were turning in your Ranger fan card any way.

Mostly true, but are we really a "relatively young team"?

 

[Ruggs225]

The part that annoys me the most, is that the devils didnt even play well yet. We are just not executing anymore… and we became allergic to hitting.

Also there is no movement on the PP again.


Need to come out flying Thursday

 

[Machinehead]

Re

Remember that guy Pionk that we dumped? This org has zero eye for offensive talent nor can it develop it.

The only way we fey offensive talent is already developed and it's ridiculous.

Pionk isn't what we're looking for either.

He pads his stats on the powerplay and isn't exactly elite at transition. He's also the worst defensive player in the NHL.

 

[Fitzy]

If they burn out in the first round, do you stick with this core? Panarin continues to feel like a problem, but it’s hard to find 100 point players let alone the “right” ones.

If we lose this series, I think it's the end for Gallant for sure.

Drury will probably shake things up in a big way, but I don't see him deconstructing the roster in one offseason. I think you might see a Panarin trade this offseason. Maybe we re-sign Tarasenko with some of that money.

 

[Ruggs225]

Mostly true, but are we really a "relatively young team"?

Our defense is, and our third line. But thats about it at this point. We “aged” fast jn going for it and bc our youngins didnt pan out.

Hopefully Othmann pans out otherwise we will be in a mini rebuild in a year or two.

Laf and Kakko really need to step it up and become more than third line players.

 

[qwertyaas]

Pionk isn't what we're looking for either.

He pads his stats on the powerplay and isn't exactly elite at transition. He's also the worst defensive player in the NHL.

Fair. But we didn't need elite. We threw away a bottom pairing guy that can transition to someone that absolutely can't, while increasing our cap hit significantly. Not saying Pionk is the answer.

I'm saying this org has zero clue how to build offensive talent other than through FA or the occasional lucky trade.