Development Camp 2022 (July 10th-13th)

[GalHabsGal]

You dont draft a project at 1OA. I had wanted Wright, I want to be Wrong.

Sorry, but Wright will be a 80% minimum 60pts player, 50% 80pts player... Then you are Rright about Wright

 

[Twisted Sinister]

I don’t have an accurate gauge of his hockey IQ, the speed he thinks the play, how good is his passing game, the quality of his defensive game, for example. I’ll debate you that he has more than none of those traits, but I won’t on how much. For me, it‘s still tough to tell.

I will debate he is the one that drives the play on a line. Forget about the scrimmage. In real life, aside from Lane Hutson, he’s the one that drives the play the most of all the players you saw today. Furthermore, he’s the only one that can drive a play in the NHL, as of right now,

And using your definition of driving the play in the NHL, he’s the only one in the Top-10 that meets it now. And please don’t tell me Shane Wright who is a pure finisher and passes the puck not to cleverly break the play open. He passes the puck (very well) to keep the play going long enough to get in a position to finish.

I fail to see any evidence of him driving play in real life. Shane Wright does. He carries the puck, he brings it up the ice, he's competent with zone entries, he finds his teammates in open areas, he moves to open areas to receive passes, that's hockey IQ.

I see no evidence Slaf has ever done that or is capable of that.

 

[Kennerback]

I fail to see any evidence of him driving play in real life. Shane Wright does. He carries the puck, he brings it up the ice, he's competent with zone entries, he finds his teammates in open areas, he moves to open areas to receive passes, that's hockey IQ.

I see no evidence Slaf has ever done that or is capable of that.

Shane Wright does (drive the play]. = no
He carries the puck, = no
he brings it up the ice,= no
he's competent with zone entries,= usually his line mates do the zone entries
he finds his teammates in open areas,= yes, he passes the puck to the closest player so his team does’nt lose the puck
he moves to open areas to receive passes,=yes

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Shane Wright does (drive the play]. = no
He carries the puck, = no
he brings it up the ice,= no
he's competent with zone entries,= usually his line mates do the zone entries
he finds his teammates in open areas,= yes, he passes the puck to the closest player so his team does’nt lose the puck
he moves to open areas to receive passes,=yes

Agree to disagree

 

[Et le But]

You dont draft a project at 1OA. I had wanted Wright, I want to be Wrong.

I agree, I wanted Wright, I don't think you take such a big gamble first overall, and I get nervous when I hear he was taken for his personality.

But I do get it. Slafkovsky is a very exciting talent and I see why a lot of people who know what they are talking about more than I do see him as the player with the highest upside in the draft.

But he was a late riser who there are plenty of questions about who has yet to excel in league play. We can't treat his development like a prototypical first overall because he's not one and he wouldn't have gone first in any other recent draft.

It is what it is. I hope the new management knows what they are doing and I'm rooting for the kid.

 

[417]

You don't draft a project #1 overall?

You want a finished product instead?

Hmm...not sure about that.

 

[L4br3cqu3]

Why the hell is Wright mentioned here ?

 

[Jack Skellington]

I wanted Wright but he doesn't really drive the play. He's very good at facilitating it but he doesn't move the needle very much. He's good at allowing his linemates to shine by supporting them but he's not going to be the guy to turn the tides on the ice. Hes good in transition but he very rarely rushes the puck himself and it almost always ends poorly when he tries it.

 

[Seb]

Why the hell is Wright mentioned here ?

We're HFHabs, we ruin everything

 

[yianik]

They're all projects at the draft.

If you draft a player whose reached his potential on draft day, then he is what he is and never will be more.

"Project " has different meanings I guess. While sure you are right, they are all projects, but then you have players with multiple question marks and they are a "project" on whether it all comes together, like a McCarron, and then you have players who should not have question marks like that. At 1OA, should not have questions marks like that. i think you know what I mean.

 

[Paddy17]

#Hutsonmania

He looks like a 14 yr old kid!

 

[WeThreeKings]

This message is really important and I'm trying to write it as fast as I can..

I am currently drowning under all the blood from the slit wrists in this thread but I've come to tell you that

 

[FrankMTL]

Sorry, but Wright will be a 80% minimum 60pts player, 50% 80pts player... Then you are Rright about Wright

You must be Rainman....where did you come up with these numbers?

He looks like a 14 yr old kid!

A 14 year old assassin.

 

[417]

"Project " has different meanings I guess. While sure you are right, they are all projects, but then you have players with multiple question marks and they are a "project" on whether it all comes together, like a McCarron, and then you have players who should not have question marks like that. At 1OA, should not have questions marks like that. i think you know what I mean.

But you want projectable players...it's really not about what Slaf did last year or how he looks now, that matters.

It's really about how he projects in 3-5 years (I know you know this).

I think that was the big concern with Shane Wright and why the Habs didn't select him #1. He's got everything you want and look for in a top pick right now, but how much more growth is there left in his game.

Reminds me of when David Legwand was picked #2 in the 98 draft and leading up to the draft, there was talk that he could go ahead of Lecavalier.

It could be argued that at that time, Legwand was the better player...but clearly, that didn't stay true for the rest of their careers.

Not saying that that's necessarily going to be the case this time but I think that played a big hand into the Habs selecting Slafkovsky.

Better have been right though.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

I haven't had the chance to watch any of the scrimmages but thanks to those who provided updates or took time to share their notes.

Given our depth, it's encouraging to hear that the more highly touted prospects have been noticeable. This is not the camps of dark years like 2011 where Kristo looked like a stud and that's it.
It's encouraging to hear different names get shutouts on here like Heineman Nurnu Smilenic etc. Some of these guys are bound to turn into nhlers

 

[le_sean]

Jesus imagine expecting a 6’3 230lbs power forward to go all out in a friendly 4 on 4 scrimmage. Like do you not think in an NHL game that Slafkovsky wouldn’t absolutely destroy Hutson? Of course he was trying dangles and deferring more than usual.

What you need to take away from this is his puckhandling and skating ability. This is really uncanny in a player his size. The development for him is understanding positioning and getting stronger.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Guys, could we PLEASE not go all HF board for once and not throw snap judgments around based on a freaking rookie scrimmage game This is way too early to have any sort of an opinion on any of those kids, outside of skating.

 

[jrom]

Jesus imagine expecting a 6’3 230lbs power forward to go all out in a friendly 4 on 4 scrimmage. Like do you not think in an NHL game that Slafkovsky wouldn’t absolutely destroy Hutson? Of course he was trying dangles and deferring more than usual.

What you need to take away from this is his puckhandling and skating ability. This is really uncanny in a player his size. The development for him is understanding positioning and getting stronger.

With hindsight it's clear Hugues was talking about Slaf when he said "we're not picking the best player today but the one we think will be the best in a couple of years"

 

[NotProkofievian]

Guys, could we PLEASE not go all HF board for once and not throw snap jugments around based on a freaking rookie scrimmage game This is way too early to have any sort of an opinion on any of those kids, outside of skating.

Makar actually forfeited his Norris when he saw the clips of Hutson, sooooo yikes, you must feel ridiculous right about now.

I haven't had the chance to watch any of the scrimmages but thanks to those who provided updates or took time to share their notes.

Given our depth, it's encouraging to hear that the more highly touted prospects have been noticeable. This is not the camps of dark years like 2011 where Kristo looked like a stud and that's it.
It's encouraging to hear different names get shutouts on here like Heineman Nurnu Smilenic etc. Some of these guys are bound to turn into nhlers

That was a dark time.

 

[Wats]

Guys, could we PLEASE not go all HF board for once and not throw snap judgments around based on a freaking rookie scrimmage game This is way too early to have any sort of an opinion on any of those kids, outside of skating.

Long time poster, quick question about the rules. Are we allowed to throw positive snap judgements and praise guys like Hutson? I thought a good way to assess players is looking at negatives and positives equally. Everyone knows it's a development camp... Why is it bad to call out disappointing players.

 

[yianik]

But you want projectable players...it's really not about what Slaf did last year or how he looks now, that matters.

It's really about how he projects in 3-5 years (I know you know this).

I think that was the big concern with Shane Wright and why the Habs didn't select him #1. He's got everything you want and look for in a top pick right now, but how much more growth is there left in his game.

Reminds me of when David Legwand was picked #2 in the 98 draft and leading up to the draft, there was talk that he could go ahead of Lecavalier.

It could be argued that at that time, Legwand was the better player...but clearly, that didn't stay true for the rest of their careers.

Not saying that that's necessarily going to be the case this time but I think that played a big hand into the Habs selecting Slafkovsky.

Better have been right though.

Yeah, I can shoot my mouth off and be dead wrong, but who cares, I matter not, and of course dont get paid to make those decisions. These boys better have used that rare 1OA and nailed the pick.

Gorton was quoted as saying he will never draft a kid who as a 15 year old had a beard. Sums it up well.

Obviously a number of people had concerns over Wright, and our guys sure did. Slaf was our pick and is a Hab, and I want his every success.

 

[durojean]

He also drives the play and always wants the puck. A friendly scrimmage doesn’t reflect that.

Yep… if we need to come up with excuses for him after 1 scrimmage…

 

[Supersonic]

Leave it to the Habs to draft a guy like Slaf 1OA man... This sucks so bad. We finally get a 1OA pick as a fanbase and the choice is between a f***ing oaf and a douche.

Lmao are you memeing or being legit

 

[Mrb1p]

Lmao are you memeing or being legit

Legit.

Ovi, Crosby, Mackinnon, Matthews, Mcdavid, Dahlin, Hughes, Kovalexhuk, Lecavalier, Power, Tavares, Stamkos, Kane, Nash, Thornton and we get fkn Juraj man.

JURAJ. Im not even sure he can match RNHs or Hischiers career.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Legit.

Ovi, Crosby, Mackinnon, Matthews, Mcdavid, Dahlin, Hughes, Kovalexhuk, Lecavalier, Power, Tavares, Stamkos, Kane, Nash, Thornton and we get fkn Juraj man.

JURAJ. Im not even sure he can match RNHs or Hischiers career.

It's okay. It's gonna be okay.