Czechboy
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If I'm being honest.. I did give it a quick look and you do make a good point here. As of today, not many guys have hit homeruns out of that group.
Detroit Redwings Downfall
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No one has to "try again" when the Red Wings are bottom five again almost six years into Yzerman's tenure. You will maybe have a point when your team is sniffing the playoffs.
Your initial post whined about his moves this offseason. Now you're oddly shifting the goalposts to years past.
Nevermind your criticism about development while judging the success of recent 2nd round picks on NHL games played, as if rushing later round picks is a genius move.
Detroit holds their damn Top 10 picks way past the ready date and you think they're about rushing 2nd rounders?
You will maybe have a point when their high end picks start busting.
Until then the guy literally came in on day one and said he's building through the draft and it would be a long process.
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Golden_Jet
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No apparently attaching a second to Walman, to get rid of him, is a better move.Detroit holds their damn Top 10 picks way past the ready date and you think they're about rushing 2nd rounders?
Wont get an argument from me there.
That being said, I was talking about was prospect development. Not sure how you think bringing up asset management and trades really negates the point.
qc14
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All but two of the guys in my list were available this summer.
I actually think Yzerman's general strategy of bringing in veterans to bridge the gap and get more competitive while prospects over-ripen is sound. That only works though if you have good pro scouting and bring in the right veterans. Yzerman has consistently (including and especially this offseason) made poor pro scouting decisions and made moves for worse veterans in FA and in trades when acquiring better ones for similar prices were well within the realm of possibility. Unfortunately for him pro scouting is a massive part of a GM's job and he's missed on basically every single one of those moves except for Kane.
Even if their lottery luck turns around or some of the many late round picks eventually make an NHL impact, his deficiency in this specific aspect of the role is so large that it makes me skeptical he will ever be able to put together a playoff team, let alone a contender in Detroit.
Stewie Griffin
What the deuce
Chatfield: 3 year deal
Ghost: 3 year deal
Gudas: 3 year deal (23-24)
Dillon: 3 year deal
Jensen: 3 year deal (23-24)
Kovacevic: 3 year deal (22-23)
Marino: 6 year deal (21-22)
Soucy: 3 year deal (23-24)
Chychrun: 6 year deal (19-20)
Not one of the players you mentioned is on a 1-2 year deal. Pretty clear that's what Yzerman was looking for in UFA this summer.
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
This is just plain wrong. The team sucks, yes. However, the coach is absolutely horrible and has 0 ability to motivate the players or implement a game plan. They have significantly less structure than they did under the horror-bad Blashill teams.
I don’t like Yzermans progress but other teams fans chiming in with absolutely zero idea of what the problems actually would be comical if it wasn’t so annoying
I've had the eerie thought for awhile that Blashill is actually a better coach than Lalonde.
Hopefully the strategy is to suck hard enough under Lalonde that fans are so desperate for a coaching change that they don't bitch with the new coach is Joel Quenneville.
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
Exactly. People constantly shittin on the drafting would have a point if there were multiple obvious picks he missed on. But that quite literally has not happened.
The real drafting debacle was Holland picking Zadina over Hughes and Rasmussen over the next 4 guys who are all much better than him.
saska sault
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Don't worry guys, Wings fans know we suck right now. Check the Detroit forum.. mostly everyone preaching patience, isn't saying it because it's our favorite option. It's just the most realistic going forward. Argue about the past all you'd like but trading picks, or youth isn't going to happen. Trading the vets that everyone hates isn't going to happen at this point in the season. Coaching change? Maybe, doubtful.
Sit back and watch the games in pain with us Detroit fans until the deadline and see what kind of fun we can have in the meantime.
Sit back and watch the games in pain with us Detroit fans until the deadline and see what kind of fun we can have in the meantime.
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
Do you mean the 2nd he acquired for sending Gibson to Nashville for a better prospect who is now nearly PPG in Liiga? So, in other words, a 2nd he didn’t have to start with?
God, I really hate doing this, because I don’t even like yzermans performance. But the shit takes are seemingly endless
God, I really hate doing this, because I don’t even like yzermans performance. But the shit takes are seemingly endless
The problem is the roster is bad.
I don't think Lalonde is some great coach or anything. But I rate the Wings as a below-average roster and that's pretty much the output they're getting.
If you literally admit the team sucks, (as you did), then what kind of record is the coach supposed to have? He'd have to be Scotty Bowman to make them into a bubble team.
The point isn't to collect a bunch of mid prospects though, the point is to 1) make the playoffs 2) win a Cup. They won't come close to that second one if their pipeline is mostly made up of Cross Hanas and Shai Buium types (re: career AHLers).
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
The team sucks, meaning they aren’t good enough to be a sure fire playoff team. The team is not horrific , meaning they shouldn’t be losing to the ducks and sharks. Hope that clears it up
It's the NHL. Any team can beat any team on any given day. A below-average team losing to a bad team is not a surprise. Literally also yesterday, Dallas lost to the Ducks.
Hope that clears things up. Know some puck.
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
But….it isn’t made up of mostly those types?
It’s truly amazing how much joy people seem to get out of dunking on others, without any sort of knowledge in the topic at hand. I’m all for shitting on Yzermans decisions - signing dog shit vets like Chiarot, Holl, Petry, Copp, etc to bloated contracts, refusing to take cap dumps to gain further capital, not promoting kids soon enough, etc
But drafting hasn’t even been remotely a weakness under Yzerman and to suggest otherwise is simply nonsensical. Detroit has nailed every single 1st round pick since 2019, ie zero guys that look like busts. Can you tell me even one other NHL team that can say that about their drafting in the same time frame ?
If you watched the games instead of just posting on forums about things you know little about, you would know that they’ve regularly been outclassed by these bottom feeder teams. The coaching is a far bigger issue than the roster, despite the roster also being a major issue.
As a Habs fan I sympathize with you on being stuck with useless vets, but in Yzerman case he keeps adding them. What makes you think he won't bring a new bunch of them next offseason ? Someone on your board explained it well, as long as your pro scouting stays the same and keeps making errors it's tough to envision things getting better
If you're doing things right, no, the point is to win a Cup, nothing less. There's plenty of GMs and owner groups that are content with just making the playoffs though.
Also weird to claim the pipeline is made up of "mostly Cross Hanas and Shai Buium types" considering Detroit's own subforum ranked Buium 12th during the offseason and didn't even rank Hanas.
The goalies Lyon and Talbot are good enough NHLers class in particularly this you meant?
saska sault
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As Fred Durst once said ... "You gotta have faith".
GMR
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matt trick
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Since Veleno and Zadina I’ve liked all their first picks. They’ve gotten great value with the picks and built a diverse collection of prospects. They need a franchise center (Larkin is a ok #1C, but doesn’t fit the rest of the teams age group). Seider, Cossa, ASP, Raymond, Edvinsson, and Danielson look like excellent picks. Kulich and MBN look very good. If they won a lotto (particularly, Bedard, Celebrini, Beniers, or Cooley) they’d look much better. Maybe you could argue they should have sold off more pieces, but had they won a lotto, you’d be thrilled to have Larkin to play in front of a premier C prospect.
