Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - season begins!

[TheBeerNerd]

Scoring 21 goals in 13 games.

Has there been much turnover in personnel down there?

 

[KovalchukFistPump]

Gritsyuk seems to be our only NHL-quality forward prospect right now (at least one that is certain to get games), and he probably only comes when he's guaranteed an NHL spot. I was hoping we draft a forward with our pick last year, but hopefully Silayev is the type that is too good overall to pass up. Can be traded later anyway.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Labanc’s killing it.



That’s f***ing hilarious. Detroit has a better case for 28th than 8th. They f***ing suck and there’s no reason to believe they’ll be anything more than like a bubble team.

Rangers maybe a tad high but I find it hard to argue they don’t deserve to be somewhere around there. They won the President’s last year, ECF in 2 of the last 3 years, 5th in the league in pts% so far. At worst the 2nd best goalie in the world, at worst I’d say the 3rd best Dman in the league, Panarin’s insane. With that core 3 they’ll always be in contention.

eh, all the Rangers best forwards are old. Panarin, Kreider, Trocheck, Zib (who sucks this year)

Laf has developed a bit, but he is no way a legit top line player.

 

[Guttersniped]

You do not keep draft picks when you are a team looking to win a cup. You use them to grab players that are already nhl ready instead of drafting projects that don’t fit the timeline even if they workout.

The Tampa Bay Lightning lost in 2015 SCF and the 2016 ECF.

They still drafted quite a bit while doing that.

Players like Brayden Point (2014) and Anthony Cirelli (2015) helped extend their window.

The future matters too when your best players are as young as ours.

Fitz has mostly traded with an eye to the future, I don’t see him hitting the rental market hard.

Trading for RFAs is nice too but you have to pay them more, particularly when they get arbitration eligible. Players on ELCs help.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Are y'all talking about Marchy as in Marchessault? I don't remember us being in the market for him at all...and he would not fit the team's cap structure.

some of the "twitter reporters" had him as a done deal to NJ until Nashville snuck in last minute

from what it seems like, he has been brutal this year at 5 on 5 though

 

[Hisch13r]

Are y'all talking about Marchy as in Marchessault? I don't remember us being in the market for him at all...and he would not fit the team's cap structure.

We were in on him. We were the team he was most closely linked to until Nashville swooped in. We also would’ve been able to fit him. It would’ve meant no Noesen or Tatar instead

 

[Guttersniped]

Lorentz felt like a no brainer guy to sign. Cheap 4th line depth with C ability in a pinch (which we’re currently in).

Anthony Richard has 6 pts in 6 GP for Philly and I just wanted him to give Utica a center lol.

He got a 2 year 775k one way deal and we’re too cheap to give forward depth that.

 

[TheBeerNerd]

eh, all the Rangers best forwards are old. Panarin, Kreider, Trocheck, Zib (who sucks this year)

Laf has developed a bit, but he is no way a legit top line player.

The problem with the Rangers is that I don't like them, which magically extends the career of older players longer than they would for a team I like or one I don't care about.

 

[Guttersniped]

Has there been much turnover in personnel down there?

Yes, some losses and obvious pre-existing issues that weren’t addressed. Then they were hit by early injuries and lacked the depth to handle it.

 

[theoptimist]

I completely overestimated Timo. I wish we still had Zetterlund.

 

[Hisch13r]

eh, all the Rangers best forwards are old. Panarin, Kreider, Trocheck, Zib (who sucks this year)

Laf has developed a bit, but he is no way a legit top line player.

Panarin’s only gotten better and has a game that will age well. The next 3 years are Trocheck’s 31-33 year old years. He’ll still be good. Zib and Kreider yeah kind of suck. I think Chytil’s really good and can be a top 6C if he can manage to stay healthy. I do not agree on Laf. I think he is a legit top line guy and Devils fans underrate him because they hate him.

 

[dgibb10]

some of the "twitter reporters" had him as a done deal to NJ until Nashville snuck in last minute

from what it seems like, he has been brutal this year at 5 on 5 though

His 5v5 OISH is a hilarious 0.87%.

That won't last obviously.

now, 44% xGoals share is still bad, but he's also getting ridiculously unlucky

 

[NjDevsRR]

The problem with the Rangers is that I don't like them, which magically extends the career of older players longer than they would for a team I like or one I don't care about.

This made me LOL at work

 

[dgibb10]

Timo has a 56% xGoals share, and for those that hate advanced stats, a 71% actual goals share 5v5.

 

[theoptimist]

Timo has a 56% xGoals share, and for those that hate advanced stats, a 71% actual goals share 5v5.

Appreciate the post and a convenient opportunity to add “past performance is not indicative of future performance”

*ok class! repeat after me*

 

[dgibb10]

Appreciate the post and a convenient opportunity to add “past performance is not indicative of future performance”

*ok class! repeat after me*

past luck is not indicative of future luck*

past performance is generally quite a good indicator of future performance.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I completely overestimated Timo. I wish we still had Zetterlund.

He’s been ok, which is so much better than he was to start last year. He’ll have a week with 5 goals or whatever like he always seems to do. Streaky player and the counting stats may not be there without PP1 time.

 

[Cheddabombs]

Gritsyuk seems to be our only NHL-quality forward prospect right now (at least one that is certain to get games), and he probably only comes when he's guaranteed an NHL spot. I was hoping we draft a forward with our pick last year, but hopefully Silayev is the type that is too good overall to pass up. Can be traded later anyway.

I like Lenni

 

[TheBeerNerd]

I wouldn't be surprised if Gritsyuk comes over whenever his KHL season is over.

 

[Guttersniped]

We were in on him. We were the team he was most closely linked to until Nashville swooped in. We also would’ve been able to fit him. It would’ve meant no Noesen or Tatar instead

Fitz’s rumored effort to add another ancient winger anchor contract is nightmare fuel for me.

I don’t understand how we would have swung that deal though.

Noesen (2.75m) and Tatar (1.8m) only gives you ~3.75m for Marchessault at most since you have to pay a second forward too.

It seems like Dillon was announced after Marchessault so maybe that’s what doesn’t happen.

 

[Hisch13r]

I wouldn't be surprised if Gritsyuk comes over whenever his KHL season is over.

He’s likely not going to be done with his season until the playoffs have already begun here

 

[Better Call Sal]

I love Zetterlund, but I make the Timo trade all day, every day. He's playing pretty well over the course of the season so far. Nico's line hit a skid for a bit there, but hopefully they'll pick it back up offensively. They had strong showings against Florida, didn't they?

 

[My3Sons]

Anthony Richard has 6 pts in 6 GP for Philly and I just wanted him to give Utica a center lol.

He got a 2 year 775k one way deal and we’re too cheap to give forward depth that.

if NJ had just been adding a few extra late round picks to use them on overages and development project centers they'd be fine now most likely. The two guys they added towards the end of the last draft make sense and they should have been drafting players like that every year.

 

[Hisch13r]

I like Lenni

I think he has a good shot as being an NHLer but I don’t know if I’d call him a lock yet

 

[Guttersniped]

if NJ had just been adding a few extra late round picks to use them on overages and development project centers they'd be fine now most likely. The two guys they added towards the end of the last draft make sense and they should have been drafting players like that every year.

Other teams get those guys through free agency too and we need to do better there.