Detroit Redwings Downfall
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roman star
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you might want to take a look at what he accomplished in tbay before you determine you know better than him about building an nhl team ?tfw too smart to sign excellent/very good players to good/great contracts and make the playoffs instead of drafting just a couple spots earlier
PattyLafontaine
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Someone asked the question how the thread had reached 48 pages.
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Because they traded Dionne. What the hell were they thinking?
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
Cause every time the wings lose (and we lose a lot bc we suck) 5 different people enter the thread and insist it is evidence the rebuild is cooked, and each time, stupid wings fans (including me) keep taking the bait
Pre-draft sure, though it's not unusual for players that are among the youngest in their cohort to be late-bloomers (Danielson, by comparison, was a late-birthday). By the time he was Danielson's current age, Bergeron had made the NHL at 18 (on a playoff team), been top-10 in Calder voting, been the MVP of what might have been Canada's best ever WJC team, and was starting a season where he would lead his NHL team in scoring. There's no comparison.
Then feel free to enlighten me. Because when I see Danielson, I see a smart, responsible center, with good skating and puckhandling, but average-sized and not much of a goal-scoring threat. That doesn't really add up to having NHL 1st-line upside.
Who have been the signings that would have
A) put them in the post season
B) you know had any interest in coming to the Wings?
This isn’t EA sports when you can just pick any player you want and sign them…
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
Sounds like you’ve never watched danielson. His passing is easily his best trait, by far. His shot is decent but not amazing, but he would be the 2nd best passer in Detroit today. Based purely on that trait he has 1st line upside when taking his very very good defensive play into account
Snuggs
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The illusion most Red Wings fans have boughten that ownership/organization has sold is that they're trying to be good not just for a couple years, but for the next decade or two, similar to what happened through thew 90's-00's and what Yzerman was a part of.
It's a member-berry story that 80% posting on this site, have boughten, paid, and have season tickets for.
The fallacy of this strategy is that most core teams have 2-5 years of real cup runs and ALOT never even make it or win one cup. It's rare you get three players like Letang/Malkin/Crosby to team as long as they did, it's why they've literally got records with each other. Even more rare what the Wings did in the 90's/00's.
Yzerman's never tried yet to build a Stanley cup winner or playoff team. He was in one of the best playoffs positions last year and decided to pass on even one TDL move to help the team out when they clearly were in trouble and needed help.
People laugh but it'll prolyl take another 4 years till Red Wings are good. Yzerman/crew are banking on drafting their way out of this with some sort of star or multiple very good players on 4 lines. No big trade is coming, no big signing is coming that'll change the franchise. Yzerman will get another 3-4 years of drafting in an attempt to dig himself out of whatever this season is.
It's a member-berry story that 80% posting on this site, have boughten, paid, and have season tickets for.
The fallacy of this strategy is that most core teams have 2-5 years of real cup runs and ALOT never even make it or win one cup. It's rare you get three players like Letang/Malkin/Crosby to team as long as they did, it's why they've literally got records with each other. Even more rare what the Wings did in the 90's/00's.
Yzerman's never tried yet to build a Stanley cup winner or playoff team. He was in one of the best playoffs positions last year and decided to pass on even one TDL move to help the team out when they clearly were in trouble and needed help.
People laugh but it'll prolyl take another 4 years till Red Wings are good. Yzerman/crew are banking on drafting their way out of this with some sort of star or multiple very good players on 4 lines. No big trade is coming, no big signing is coming that'll change the franchise. Yzerman will get another 3-4 years of drafting in an attempt to dig himself out of whatever this season is.
Dr Quincy
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A) Has nothing to do with what I said, since I never alleged that there were. What I said was that there weren't only 2 choices in the world: Sign MacKinnon and McDavid or sign Copp and Compher. Do you agree with that statement? Because that's what I was responding to, and my response didn't mention the playoffs.
B) Why wouldn't people want to sign on with the Yzerplan that's going so well. I mean, they've improved every year under him and have a top 5 prospect pool. Why are you hating on the Detroit Red Wings so much?
I mean one team is 28th and rebuilding, the other is officially out of their rebuild and hovering along that 27th-31st.... lol. I would consider the latter a fail. All three are boring to watch. Nothing fun about losing!
Detroit top 4 or 5 prospect pool in the NHL
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Ottawa way down at 31st.
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/*checks standings*/ -Whoops!
I really do appreciate your opinion tho-
This can't even be classified a mid off.
You know players have a million reasons as to why they would or would not chose a spot, right?
The fact is you’re just making up all these good players the Wings could have signed.
Fatass
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Wings struggling again tonight. A loss puts them a lot behind Boston. The wild card is starting to move further away too. They need to get going with some wins. Or they will be sellers at the coming TDL. Sens looking like the one team from that bottom four (in their division) who might make a move.
Nobody has 1st line upside based on their passing alone. Every NHL top 6er can do brilliant tape-to-tape passes if given time and space, like Danielson has right now in the AHL; creating that time and space for yourself or your teammates is the hard part. Which is why almost every high-end playmaker in the NHL has some combination of elite hands with either great size or great speed, and ideally a great shot to be harder to defend.
I just don't think Danielson has these kind of tools. Your assertion that he'd be the 2nd-best passer in Detroit today would get a serious reality check if he were called-up.
5 game losing streak
6 wins in the last 20 games
No trades, no coaches fired, nobody waived, nobody called up
Go wings go baby! What a team we have!
6 wins in the last 20 games
No trades, no coaches fired, nobody waived, nobody called up
Go wings go baby! What a team we have!
Luigi Lemieux
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If this thread was about the penguins you'd have a great point.With Dubas at the helm I'm certain Pens fans will never feel the burden of a lengthy rebuild once Crosby/Malkin/Letang hang'em up
Shane Diesel
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And all the blame is solely due to the randomness of the draft. Otherwise the FO is flawless.
Luigi Lemieux
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The unintentional tank might be the best thing for them this season. Adding Hagens, Martone, or Misa all of a sudden makes the group of young forwards look respectable.
deca guard
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'' yzermans playing for all the marbles as in attempting to build a dynasty''
- do you understand the definition of the word ATTEMPTING ?????????
- or the blatant obvious fact that yzerman had nothing to do with the playoff streak ? and that its assinine to see that getting back in the playoffs as quickly as possible is more important than building a long term contender ?????????
- let me answer those questions = no you dont , you dont understand any of it
Dotter
THE ATHLETIC IS GARBAGE
deca guard
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ive another version of delusional = joe smo hockey fans thinking they know more about running an nhl club than steve yzerman = lmao
SimonEdvinssonAtSix
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I didn't miss Hronek. When Yzerman took over at the end of the 18-19 season, Hronek had made the jump from prospect to full time. Nice try at a gotcha though.
But you did get me in a way, Ras made the jump to full time then too, so feel free to replace his name on that list with an even lesser prospect.
And if you serious think a list that has a Taro Hirose as a top 10 prospect is "not much worse" than what Detroit has right now, well then, have at it bud because you can't argue with stupid.
Seras
Dubas supporter
Option #1 Replace him with someone better
Option #2 Let him cook
#3 would be fire him and worry about the replacement later and while this is an option it requires a certain level of stupidity
Option #2 Let him cook
#3 would be fire him and worry about the replacement later and while this is an option it requires a certain level of stupidity
LevelingSolo
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Lalonde needs to go his system is boring af and doesn't belong in today's NHL,
Go get Q or Gallant
Go get Q or Gallant
Dotter
THE ATHLETIC IS GARBAGE
Danielson isn't in the mold of Bergeron. I don't see it. He's more of a Larkin if we are comparing player types.
I have the fortune to watch Danny live, his offensive awareness is most definitely above average. He's a better passer than Larkin and has more creativity. His shot and goal scoring capability is there, and he has a lot of tools in the tool box. I'll be disappointed if Danielsson is less than a 2nd line center in the NHL, if not an equal impact #1 center to Larkin.
Don't sleep on Danielsson. He's no slouch.
