Yzerman was gonna sign McDavid, Draisaitl, McKinnon, the Hughes bros (yes all 3 of them), Cosby, Ovechkin, Oettinger, Shesterkin, and a few others, but then woke up from his dream
Detroit Redwings Downfall
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Dotter
THE ATHLETIC IS GARBAGE
Wings have not made the playoffs in 8 years. Tied alltime with 6 other teams:
Rangers
Blue Jackets
Barons
Bruins
Capitals
The longest playoff drought is Sabres currently at 13. That looks to be moving up to 14 straight years!
Ottawa is currently at 7 and are going to be part of the 8 year drought club with the Wings.
Out of the three current NHL teams with the longest playoff droughts; Sabres, Ottawa and Detroit, I can see only Detroit having the best chance of breaking out. Sabres and Ottawa are both terrible ran franchises, with Ottawa's rebuild announced to be officially over.
Whereas Detroit are getting close to the tailend of their rebuild. I expect Detroit to start rising up 2026/2027; around the time when Sabres and Senators scrap everything and start their next rebuild.
Devils longest playoff drought is 9 years in comparison. Oilers was 10 year playoff drought!
Luigi Lemieux
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Don't agree, Buffalo and Ottawa have more talent on their teams. Detroit is bad but also horribly boring. Brutal combo. And it's almost 2025, Detroit is also terrible ran franchise.
deca guard
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19 coulda messed these two pix up very badly , but he zeroed in on two huge monsters that might end up going 1 or 2 in future redrafts . he also rocked the raymond pick , and feasibly the cossa/kasper/danielsson/asp plus later pix like finns/buch/auggy . the guys totally kickin ass on the draft floor while in a stealth tank mode to keep hovering in the good draft zone by signing mediocre ufa instead of signing better ufa at cost of future cap and better drasft position . yzer is playing this rebuild MASTERFULLY ! but cry babys whine he hasnt made playoffs , while yzermans thinking for what ? to get crushed in 1st round and move back 7 draft spots in the process ! hes too wise to go into that mode . it gonna take til 2026/27 before yzer'bashers get shut up but it gonna happen as the wings settle into a long term stanley cup contender mode . yzermans playing for all the marbles as in attempting to build a dynasty , getting into playoffs with a roster that cant challenge for the championship DOESNT INTEREST YZERMAN AT ALL
Fatass
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Pavels Dog
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People said the same about Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson. Cossa was supposed to be a horrible mistake unlike Wallstedt. Etc. Michkov plays on a shit team that’s making tons of questionable roster and draft decisions in their own right, Catton isn’t in the NHL. These are the players and teams you are celebrating? Is Catton even selected for the WJC?
But it didn’t regress, really. They finished with 91 points. All season there was talk of regression and it didn’t happen, at least not in the way it was supposed to. The analytics nerds were wrong, yet count it as a win because they missed the playoffs on a tiebreaker despite predictions having them 10 points lower.
If it exists over an entire season that means it never regressed to the mean. Detroit’s success last year is pretty easy to explain, as is their failures so far this season. It’s just lazy to explain anything good that a team does as a ”fluke” and anything bad like the ”norm”. Same way that a player can have a really good year without it being a fluke. It’s just a good year!
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Luigi Lemieux
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Wings fans are living in another reality lol. Talking about building a dynasty as they sit in 28th place coming up on 9 consecutive years out of the playoffs.
Dr Quincy
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Ah the old false dichotomy where if you can't make the best signings in the world, the only alternative is to make terrible ones.Yzerman was gonna sign McDavid, Draisaitl, McKinnon, the Hughes bros (yes all 3 of them), Cosby, Ovechkin, Oettinger, Shesterkin, and a few others, but then woke up from his dream
Super logic.
Hallonbroder
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It’s weird, and sad, to see what the Red Wings have become. Kind of started when they made boneheaded moves like moving prospects for old guys like Legwand and stuff, or?
Feels like their drafting is really bad these days too. No late round gems like before, even. Raymond turned out great, and Seider and Edvinsson looks steady, but what else is there?…
Feels like their drafting is really bad these days too. No late round gems like before, even. Raymond turned out great, and Seider and Edvinsson looks steady, but what else is there?…
When one takes into consideration of what's being discussed ad nauseam - sometimes a 'super logic' reply is necessary to point out the obvious...
With Dubas at the helm I'm certain Pens fans will never feel the burden of a lengthy rebuild once Crosby/Malkin/Letang hang'em up
Dotter
THE ATHLETIC IS GARBAGE
I mean one team is 28th and rebuilding, the other is officially out of their rebuild and hovering along that 27th-31st.... lol
. I would consider the latter a fail. All three are boring to watch. Nothing fun about losing!Detroit top 4 or 5 prospect pool in the NHL
Ranking every NHL team’s 2024-25 prospect pool, from 1-32
Which teams improved? Which clubs fell? Breaking down how all 32 NHL pipelines stack up against each other.
www.dailyfaceoff.com
Ottawa way down at 31st.
The NHL’s Best Farm Systems Ranked - 2024-25 Midseason Update - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More
Just like the NHL clubs, their prospect pools are all at different stages. This piece will take a look at every NHL farm system ranking.
thehockeywriters.com
/*checks standings*/ -Whoops!
I really do appreciate your opinion tho-
BB88
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I mean one team is 28th and rebuilding, the other is officially out of their rebuild and hovering along that 27th-31st.... lol
Detroit top 4 or 5 prospect pool in the NHL
...Ranking every NHL team’s 2024-25 prospect pool, from 1-32
Which teams improved? Which clubs fell? Breaking down how all 32 NHL pipelines stack up against each other.
Ottawa way down at 31st.
The NHL’s Best Farm Systems Ranked - 2024-25 Midseason Update - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More
Just like the NHL clubs, their prospect pools are all at different stages. This piece will take a look at every NHL farm system ranking.
/*checks standings*/ -Whoops!
I really do appreciate your opinion tho-
Those rankings are always flawed
Detroit doesn’t have a single franchise forward in their roster, how many legit elite A tier forward prospects do they have?
They are building an average team, depth valued more than high end skill, and why they are ranked so high on these lists
I think we have an easier time to grasp this as Habs fans after all those Bergevin years with no plan(and he's doing the same in LA)
Dr Quincy
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Right.
It's obvious that signing Copp, Chiarot, and Compher were bad ideas. Sometimes it's ok to admit the obvious instead of making up pretend arguments.
SirKillalot
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How many does Ottawa have?
I wouldn't say all were bad ideas, but they haven't worked out as they would have like when it comes to enough points/impact offensively and steady defence. Regardless all are to lesser or bigger degrees stopgaps who by playing well could stick with the team and if they don't they be gone without hurting future progress per se.
Golden_Jet
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Hard to say what a habs fans answer will be, like asking a hawks fan, how many does Detroit have.
Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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If he signed him he might have been able to slip the others something to join the Wings.Yzerman was gonna sign McDavid, Draisaitl, McKinnon, the Hughes bros (yes all 3 of them), Cosby, Ovechkin, Oettinger, Shesterkin, and a few others, but then woke up from his dream
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
I don't really understand these kinds of responses.
So if they are ranked highly, the rankings are wrong.
If they are ranked low, the rankings are correct.
So essentially, you know better than everyone else, and that's the end of it?
What's the point of this discussion if this is where you guys are all starting from?
You asked how many "A tier" forward prospects they have. I dunno what you mean by "A tier". They haven't picked top 3 ever, so it's hard to get the Celebrinis etc. But Buchelnikov looks like he has a good shot at being a 1st line forward. Danielson looks like he's on track to be a 1C or at least a 2C in a Bergeron type mold. Kasper is playing very well and should be a good 2C in the mold of Kesler in his prime. These all seem top-tier to me.
Montreal has Demidov who has some superstar potential. Apart from that, there are also zero franchise forwards on your team, and you've had a 1st overall pick as well. Is your rebuild also screwed?
SimonEdvinssonAtSix
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Ok I'll bite.
Here's the list of the top 10 prospects Yzerman was handed when he took over the team V.S our current top 10. The current top 10 list is missing a few standout names, Seider, Raymond and Edvinsson.
Top Prospects 2018
Joe Veleno
Filip Zadina
Jared McIsaac
Dennis Cholowski
Filip Larsson
Jonatan Berggren
Taro Hirose
Yevgeni Svechnikov
Axel Holmström
Michael Rasmussen
Top Prospects 2024
1. Nate Danielson
2. Axel Sandin Pellikka
3. Sebastian Cossa
4. Marco Kasper
5. Michael Brandsegg-Nygård
6. Trey Augustine
7. Carter Mazur
8. Albert Johansson
9. William Wallinder
10. Dmitri Buchelnikov
Detroit has one of the deepest prospect pools in the entire league. So to say our drafting is bad? Laughably ignorant take.
ZDH
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What's your point? Are you saying making a playoff push last year ranked 9th in the East was a mistake?
My hot take/not hot take is that to undo the mistake of signing Perron, Copp, Chiarot and Kuba all in one off season and artificially improving our record past where we might have gotten the game changing talent we need to send us over the top, is that we need to bottom out this year. And I mean *really* bottom out, like top 2 worst to guarantee one of Hagens, Martone, Schaefer or Misa. All of the other moves (like Walman) are all down stream in some sense of that miscalculation by Yzerman's part.
At that point, if you get a top guy in this class, I think you could even say that the rebuild is a success, so long as we some of our other guys convert on their good showings they've had the past few years. The bad deals will fall off and we'd have an exciting young core to build around. Our prospect pool is deep and starting to show some real elite, near superstar potential. But we lack that truly dynamic player who alter the game every time he touches the ice.
At that point, if you get a top guy in this class, I think you could even say that the rebuild is a success, so long as we some of our other guys convert on their good showings they've had the past few years. The bad deals will fall off and we'd have an exciting young core to build around. Our prospect pool is deep and starting to show some real elite, near superstar potential. But we lack that truly dynamic player who alter the game every time he touches the ice.
TheDoldrums
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Yeah totally man, your prospect definitely looks in the mold of the best defensive forward in the history of the game.
Yeah because we definitely all said this. Maybe respond to who you're quoting instead of grouping in thousands of people with a handful of delusional fans in this thread
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