Detroit Redwings Downfall

[Czechboy]

I see you apologists. I hear you. I get it. So here is my amendment to the Yzerplan and I'm being dead serious. If you guys feel the only way to get high end talent is in the draft then I have great news. Look at the standings.

1. Call up Jack Campbell
2. Do not trade one Stevie Y UFA signing till the TDL (for picks and young players only since Stevie Y can draft D very well)
3. Keep Lalonde. Give him a Ford Mustang as a token of appreciation.
4. Get that lottery pick in June.

Cup back in Motown in no time!

You start next season with Seider rock solid established. With Larkin still very good. With Raymond still a damn good forward with room for improvement still. Ed is no longer a rookie. Kaspar is no longer a rookie. Danielson may be ready! Here comes Asp! Here comes Norwegian first rounder! One of your 2 drafted high end goalies will be ready for spot duty with Talbot! You have a lottery pick (I hope) to add to the forward group. Your shitty UFA signings are gone and Stevie Y can sign some real players in free agency. No more 'spot fillers'. Maybe even a smart trade or two. GM's are allowed to make good trades, sign good players and draft good forwards. It isn't all about losing and drafting D and G.

Trade these forwards for any picks you can get, take on no cap

Then use the picks to draft more high end D.

Same thing, trade these guys for any pick you can get and get drafting.

Trade Husso for picks as well.

Now wait 3 more years and the Cup is yours in 2030.

 

[ZDH]

Nashville

 

[le_sean]

They have terrible depth scoring.

Guess what’s on the way? 2nd line scoring options.

I’ll ask again since you can’t seem to answer this question: who are these elite forwards Yzerman has missed in the years he didn’t take elite’s prospects?

They have one PPG player and you’re saying their only problem is depth scoring

 

[ZDH]

They are horrible

I know. We're tied with the f***ing Senators ffs.

 

[thefutures]

This is clearly trolling at this point. Unless some people here don't understand what a full rebuild is lol which also wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Czechboy]

This would be the cherry on top for sure. Bring Trouba home!

 

[le_sean]

This is clearly trolling at this point. Unless some people here don't understand what a full rebuild is lol which also wouldn't surprise me.

Full rebuilds include tying your team and cap situation up with useless plugs like Copp, Compher, Rasmussen, Chiarot and Holl?

 

[thefutures]

Full rebuilds include tying your team and cap situation up with useless plugs like Copp, Compher, Rasmussen, Chiarot and Holl?

No. Building through the draft. Every rebuild takes time and makes mistakes. For example detroit signed 1 or 2 more plugs than they should have but those signings won't prevent them from any business they need to do. Another example of a mistake during a rebuild is montreal traded 2 1sts a 2nd and a 3rd for newhook and dach. Detroit traded 1 1st and got debricant. Rebuilds endure mistakes buddy just need to be patient.

 

[le_sean]

No. Building through the draft. Every rebuild takes time and makes mistakes. For example detroit signed 1 or 2 more plugs than they should have but those signings won't prevent them from any business they need to do. Another example of a mistake during a rebuild is montreal traded 2 1sts a 2nd and a 3rd for newhook and dach. Detroit traded 1 1st and got debricant. Rebuilds endure mistakes buddy just need to be patient.

Build through the draft by acquiring free agents that lead to useless wins so you get to select the likes of MBN instead of Berkly Catton. Or Danielson instead of Michkov.

Sounds like a poor strategy

 

[thefutures]

Build through the draft by acquiring free agents that lead to useless wins so you get to select the likes of MBN instead of Berkly Catton. Or Danielson instead of Michkov.

Sounds like a poor strategy

Those players havnt played but it's a mistake? You must know more than everyone not just Yzerman

 

[le_sean]

Those players havnt played but it's a mistake? You must know more than everyone not just Yzerman

Mistake is signing short term players like Patrick Kane and David Perron for an illusionary run to just outside the playoffs. Having those two led to the two victories at the end of last year which gave the opportunity to a division rival to select Ivan Demidov, and led to absolutely nothing for your own team.

But congrats, the fanbase was happy for a total of 24 hours before being eliminated.

 

[thefutures]

Mistake is signing short term players like Patrick Kane and David Perron for an illusionary run to just outside the playoffs. Having those two led to the two victories at the end of last year which gave the opportunity to a division rival to select Ivan Demidov, and led to absolutely nothing for your own team.

But congrats, the fanbase was happy for a total of 24 hours before being eliminated.

Hey I'm not even a detroit fan but I'm able to follow along with common sense. What is the issue with detroit being in the mix last year? I though we were bashing them for being terrible, so you suggest they be even worse on purpose?

 

[ZDH]

Mistake is signing short term players like Patrick Kane and David Perron for an illusionary run to just outside the playoffs. Having those two led to the two victories at the end of last year which gave the opportunity to a division rival to select Ivan Demidov, and led to absolutely nothing for your own team.

But congrats, the fanbase was happy for a total of 24 hours before being eliminated.

Didn't we miss the playoffs by a single point last year?

 

[le_sean]

Didn't we miss the playoffs by a single point last year?

Yeah because of a couple of veteran mercenaries playing over their heads. It was an illusion. Had nothing to do with young guys breaking out.

 

[ZDH]

Yeah because of a couple of veteran mercenaries playing over their heads. It was an illusion. Had nothing to do with young guys breaking out.

Ok, so how was signing them a mistake?

They played well and we almost made the playoffs...

 

[le_sean]

Ok, so how was signing them a mistake?

They played well and we almost made the playoffs...

Because that’s not what rebuilding is. You have Detroit fans saying this is a rebuild, be patient, and then your GM does that. An unsustainable one year fluke. All it did was give the team a later pick and you’re back to being shit again.

 

[ZDH]

Because that’s not what rebuilding is. You have Detroit fans saying this is a rebuild, be patient, and then your GM does that. An unsustainable one year fluke. All it did was give the team a later pick and you’re back to being shit again.

That's exactly what rebuilding is. Steve built this thing up for the last half decade and added some pieces at the deadline to push for the playoffs which were missed by a single point.

The difference between pick 12 and 15 or w/e is essentially irrelevant. Odds are we select the same guy at both spots anyways.

Also if you're advocating to red wings fans about tanking for a better pick I wouldn't waste your time. We literally finished dead last and picked 4th. Essentially every single draft lottery since the draft lottery changes have negatively impacted Detroit.

Give me miss playoffs by a point vs what you're saying we should do any day of the week - we've seen fluke runs before that Habs team from a few years back almost won the cup.

 

[zenator]

My god, Detroit was awful last night. Can't defend, can't sustain pressure on offense.

I can't believe it's this noticeable against Ottawa, a very middling team, but the Wings simply look terrible. I guess decent goaltending is keeping them from the bottom of the league.

 

[NyQuil]

I can't believe it's this noticeable against Ottawa, a very middling team, but the Wings simply look terrible. I guess decent goaltending is keeping them from the bottom of the league.

Middling is generous.

 

[le_sean]

That's exactly what rebuilding is. Steve built this thing up for the last half decade and added some pieces at the deadline to push for the playoffs which were missed by a single point.

The difference between pick 12 and 15 or w/e is essentially irrelevant. Odds are we select the same guy at both spots anyways.

Also if you're advocating to red wings fans about tanking for a better pick I wouldn't waste your time. We literally finished dead last and picked 4th. Essentially every single draft lottery since the draft lottery changes have negatively impacted Detroit.

Give me miss playoffs by a point vs what you're saying we should do any day of the week - we've seen fluke runs before that Habs team from a few years back almost won the cup.

Fair enough. If you’re happy with the state of your team, that’s fine. I just don’t see a clear plan in place. It’s like half trying to go for it.

 

[nbwingsfan]

They have one PPG player and you’re saying their only problem is depth scoring

Larkin has been PPG for the last three seasons

Raymond just put up 70, PPG this season, is 22 years old

Debrincat on pace for 70.

Yes, deoth scoring is the issue.

But keep spewing nonsense! It’s a good look for you

 

[ZDH]

Fair enough. If you’re happy with the state of your team, that’s fine. I just don’t see a clear plan in place. It’s like half trying to go for it.

Its definitely confusing, I love what he's done in the draft and the potential pita team we could be but some of the free agency moves have been complete ass.

(Don't trade for f***ing Trouba Stevie.)

 

[shenmue16]

Need to stop with free agency moves, need to deal a few guys at the deadline, bring up young guys in Jan/Feb, let them get experience. Only way this team can get better is through trades or drafting. It's not dire, but they should have 10m free right now in cap.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Yeah it was a fluke. How many times do fans need to see the exact same scenario play out regarding shooting percentage regression before they realize 2+2=4?

You'll market it a lot better if you call it "positive end of variance". The word "fluke" gets people riled up.

I sure hope not!!! But again, MAN, what a cushy job: "Yeah my plan is not to make the playoffs ever during my tensure. Sorry boss/fans. "

Anyway, another loss last night, now a bottom five team in the league. #TrustTheYzerplan.

Most GMs could only dream of getting 10 years to rebuild to a team that was already in the midst of a rebuild. Although if you're gonna do that, you may as well completely tank as hard as possible for five straight years. Not this "we didn't win the lotto, wah" then sign a bunch of mid vets.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

That's exactly what rebuilding is. Steve built this thing up for the last half decade and added some pieces at the deadline to push for the playoffs which were missed by a single point.

The difference between pick 12 and 15 or w/e is essentially irrelevant. Odds are we select the same guy at both spots anyways.

Also if you're advocating to red wings fans about tanking for a better pick I wouldn't waste your time. We literally finished dead last and picked 4th. Essentially every single draft lottery since the draft lottery changes have negatively impacted Detroit.

Give me miss playoffs by a point vs what you're saying we should do any day of the week - we've seen fluke runs before that Habs team from a few years back almost won the cup.

Steve built this thing up into a 28th place team 6 years later. All is well.