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Czechboy said:
Darn, I tried to have a serious talk and you don't want one. I'll move on. You totally missed my point but I'm sure you know that. Drai and McD were drafted by different GM's btw. And neither GM was very good. Nor was the next GM. Nor is the current GM (unless he pulls a rabbit out of his ass this season with his first big move - color me skeptical)

So I'll retract my post.. you're right. It's impossible to get superstars and good players unless you get them in the draft. It is the only way to succeed. Detroit is a victim of not winning draft lotteries.. just like Boston, Florida and Vegas who were all gifted lottery pick after lottery pick on the way to their cups.
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No, it's a legitimate question. If it's on the GM to get superstars, then the Oilers having superstars is all on Chiarelli, correct?

You can see how that's not available to every GM, right?

Putting Florida there is hilarious, btw....
 
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CokenoPepsi said:
Red Wings loss another one this time giving up the winning goal with 42 seconds left
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Raymond give away and Norris 1 on 2 against Ed and Seider. First Ed misses the poke check. Then Seider lets him shoot. Detroit nightmare as that is their top 3 guys. In regulation too. Ouch.


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This team really needs to make a coaching change, Lalonde's system is boring, awful and doesn't belong in the NHL
 
JohanFranzenstein said:
Brother you have over 20 posts in this thread alone. That is the definition of living in your head rent free.


It's been said a hundred times but, I'll say it again. The biggest knock on Steve is his loyalty to his coaching staff. The team has regressed under Lalonde, and Yzerman is unwilling to move on from him.
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I don't think it is loyalty to the coach. I think he found a losing (players) coach while still injecting a bit of defensive minded play into the system. Wings are a rebuilding team, so losing increases his chances in each draft while not introducing bad habits to the Wings.

Clearly making the playoffs is not Yzerman's intent. He could swap the coach and a few pieces and make this team much more competitive.

Listen, Laldone sucks. But this team has a core that could compete to make the playoffs under the right leadership.
 
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Dotter said:
I don't think it is loyalty to the coach. I think he found a losing (players) coach while still injecting a bit of defensive minded play into the system. Wings are a rebuilding team, so losing increases his chances in each draft while not introducing bad habits to the Wings.

Clearly making the playoffs is not Yzerman's intent. He could swap the coach and a few pieces and make this team much more competitive.

Listen, Laldone sucks. But this team has a core that could compete to make the playoffs under the right leadership.
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It's Year 6 of Steve Yzerman's GM reign, who was hired after the Red Wings missed the postseason three consecutive years. The Red Wings are the 5th worst team in the NHL after 26 games.

Everything is going perfectly to plan, clearly.
 
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dekelikekocur said:
There's no sense in trying to argue with these people. According to them their crazy fans don't exist or don't speak for all of them but any lunatic wing fan that's dotter or worse speaks for the entire fanbase and is representative of us all.
They're at best trolls and at worse, really uneducated knuckle draggers who exhibit the worse trait possible, being unable to admit they're wrong.

It's the same bs arguments they make, it's the same "outrage" takes they push, they just keep moving the goal posts around and then when you point out where they're wrong or how they're wrong enough they circle back to their original crap and it's just exhausting to deal with them. Reminds me of a toddler who needs a nap but keeps trying to stay up.
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Wait, so you are specifically calling me an "uneducated knuckle dragger"? :laugh:

I'd describe myself a nonconformist.

This thread has a bunch of internet armchairs who don't even follow the rebuild, but demand "agree with me or you are delusional" type of personalities. Yeah, I can't go along with that. I'd rather drag knuckles. :cool:
 
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WarriorofTime said:
It's Year 6 of Steve Yzerman's GM reign, who was hired after the Red Wings missed the postseason three consecutive years. The Red Wings are the 5th worst team in the NHL after 26 games.

Everything is going perfectly to plan, clearly.
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I don't think everything is going perfectly. I suppose a couple of #1 overall picks should have been awarded based on their losing record.

In fact, I'd argue because things didn't go perfectly is exactly why Yzerman isn't trying to improve the team to go win now mode. Laldone should have been fired last month after the California road trip. The entire internet was certain Laldone was getting fired before Boston's coach.

Then looking at Detroit's past 10 games you can see 8 of those games DRWs either won or lost by one goal. Yzerman is clearly not trying to win now.

Also, why is 6 years important? I'm looking around the league and history of the league and see 6 years is impractical. Why is 6 years the arbitrary number? Where did the idea of 6 years come from?
 
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YZERFAIL

I hate that I'm a fan of this team.

They aren't even trying to right the ship. Yzerman isn't even interested in changing a thing. It's so blatantly obvious a "throw away" season, so why should fans keep watching?

It's beyond ridiculous at this point.

Dotter said:
I don't think everything is going perfectly. I suppose a couple of #1 overall picks should have been awarded based on their losing record.

In fact, I'd argue because things didn't go perfectly is exactly why Yzerman isn't trying to improve the team to go win now mode. Laldone should have been fired last month after the California road trip. The entire internet was certain Laldone was getting fired before Boston's coach.

Then looking at Detroit's past 10 games you can see 8 of those games DRWs either won or lost by one goal. Yzerman is clearly not trying to win now.

Also, why is 6 years important? I'm looking around the league and history of the league and see 6 years is impractical. Why is 6 years the arbitrary number? Where did the idea of 6 years come from?
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Ok so you've admitted that Yzerman isn't trying to win now, and I 100% agree with you, he doesn't care about this year at all.

But to the fans who "support" this team, and buy tickets and watch the games, well why should we keep watching if the guy in charge isn't interested in winning games?
 
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RedWingzz said:
YZERFAIL

I hate that I'm a fan of this team.

They aren't even trying to right the ship. Yzerman isn't even interested in changing a thing. It's so blatantly obvious a "throw away" season, so why should fans keep watching?

It's beyond ridiculous at this point.


Ok so you've admitted that Yzerman isn't trying to win now, and I 100% agree with you, he doesn't care about this year at all.

But to the fans who "support" this team, and buy tickets and watch the games, well why should we keep watching if the guy in charge isn't interested in winning games?
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It became obvious Yzerman isn't trying to win now when he didn't fire Laldone after that California road trip. I think he is taking this opportunity to get a better draft position.

I'd much rather Yzerman come out and tell us wtf is going on, but at the same time, he was honest from the get-go that it's going to be a long painful rebuild. I think last year got us to raise expectations, when that wasn't the intention at all.

My "arbitrary" number all along has been by 2027. I gathered this based on the stop gap contracts he signed.

Remember Yzerman said this when he took over Tampa:
"When I got there in 2010, we got to the Stanley Cup Finals in 2015. They had already had the first and the second pick in the draft; they acquired (Steven) Stamkos and (Victor) Hedman, and part of the allure of going down there was 'My god, they got those two pieces to build around.' They had to do the suffering to get that, that's a good starting point. And they had some pretty darn good veterans there as well. " ... "So, a little different situation starting off (in Detroit). But, I can't say five years in that I'm thrilled with exactly all the decisions I've made or how things have played out, but I plan to stick with what we're doing."
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And Wings' fans have suffered greatly under Ken Holland and nothing to show for it!
 
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Perfect_Drug said:
Why would Yzerman fire the coach?


The problem with the wings is they lack elite talent. How does firing the coach help them accrue elite talent?
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Have you not watched the team play? A blind man can see how terrible the coaching is. Pee Wee hockey employs better systems. Being 32nd in league PK is not the result of lacking "elite talent".

Man I'd love to have McDavid on this team to kill penalties!
 
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Dotter said:
It became obvious Yzerman isn't trying to win now when he didn't fire Laldone after that California road trip. I think he is taking this opportunity to get a better draft position.

I'd much rather Yzerman come out and tell us wtf is going on, but at the same time, he was honest from the get-go that it's going to be a long painful rebuild. I think last year got us to raise expectations, when that wasn't the intention at all.

My "arbitrary" number all along has been by 2027. I gathered this based on the stop gap contracts he signed.

Remember Yzerman said this when he took over Tampa:


And Wings' fans have suffered greatly under Ken Holland and nothing to show for it!
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I agree with you...but you didn't answer my question

If we as Wings fans understand that Yzerman does not care about this season, what is the point in watching the games?

I'd love to hear from him though...like he's made so.many "questionable" decisions to say the least. From compher, to copp, to holl, to chiarot, to Gustafsson, to husso, to trading Walman as a cap dump...

Even the biggest Yzerman supporters must be starting to question it a bit?
 
Dotter said:
Have you not watched the team play? A blind man can see how terrible the coaching is. Pee Wee hockey employs better systems. Being 32nd in league PK is not the result of lacking "elite talent".
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Sounds like the right man for the job as tank commander.
 
RedWingzz said:
I agree with you...but you didn't answer my question

If we as Wings fans understand that Yzerman does not care about this season, what is the point in watching the games?

I'd love to hear from him though...like he's made so.many "questionable" decisions to say the least. From compher, to copp, to holl, to chiarot, to Gustafsson, to husso, to trading Walman as a cap dump...

Even the biggest Yzerman supporters must be starting to question it a bit?
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#1 Fire the entire coaching staff.

#2 Expect better results from Compher, Copp and the back end (don't pair Petry and Chariot together, wtf Laldone!)

Yes an update from Yzerman would be nice. But I think he answered the question already.

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-"I can't say five years in that I'm thrilled with exactly all the decisions I've made or how things have played out, but I plan to stick with what we're doing."
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TheDoldrums said:
what if we signed two abdelkaders?

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Betcha both excel under different coaching.
 
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Dotter said:
#1 Fire the entire coaching staff.

#2 Expect better results from Compher, Copp and the back end (don't pair Petry and Chariot together, wtf Laldone!)

Yes an update from Yzerman would be nice. But I think he answered the question already.

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Betcha both excel under different coaching.
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Copp couldn’t excel under any type of coaching. My god he’s useless.

Compher I agree with
 
Dotter said:
#1 Fire the entire coaching staff.

#2 Expect better results from Compher, Copp and the back end (don't pair Petry and Chariot together, wtf Laldone!)

Yes an update from Yzerman would be nice. But I think he answered the question already.

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Betcha both excel under different coaching.
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Lol again, I agree with your points. Coaching staff should be fired, and we need more from a lot of players...

BUT...if Yzerman refuses to make any changes, why should fans watch? If his message is " be patient, but I'm not interested in improving the team short term" why should fans watch THIS season?

If the man in charge is giving up on the year in December, why shouldn't I as a fan?
 
nbwingsfan said:
Copp couldn’t excel under any type of coaching. My god he’s useless.

Compher I agree with
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He's a defensive minded 2-way 35-40 point center who can win faceoffs. He is what he is. But 0 points in 16 games is not indicative to his play. Laldone has successfully killed the confidence and sunk the team. I think Perron was more useful being on the bench than Laldone ever was behind it.
 
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