When we discussing a trade of Vats, he was also an unsigned RFA; so he technically wasn't even under contract.
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When we discussing a trade of Vats, he was also an unsigned RFA; so he technically wasn't even under contract.
The Tartar/Vatanen discussions were BEFORE we signed Vatanen - when he was a RFA. Now that Vatanen is signed for about the same is Fowler but for longer term, it makes sense for the Ducks to trade Fowler who, as of today, is probably the better all around player (could be disputed).
Tartar's contract is not a problem short term because it is essentially a savings v. Fowler . But his next contract afte 2017-18 - the ducks might not be able to keep him, which is fine if they also acquire forward prospects to replace him.
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Just like Fowler for Anaheim.
Tatar gives the Ducks a scorer in the top 6 left wing. Even if they don't extend him, they still have his rights to deal.
The problem with the plus is how much Anaheim wants.
Personally I wouldn't go over Tatar and a b level prospect/2nd.
Better package than JVR.
It's actually not the same as Fowler. Fowler's contract is up in two years when a bunch of contracts are off the books. Tatar's is up next year, when we have no $$ coming off.
That does not make Tatar a rental, nor would it leave Detroit to value him that way. Either that or you have no idea what a rental refers to.
Maybe you should have read what he was responding to before responding then, because that person did.
i did read it. He's not wrong in a sense that it could be a problem to resign Tatar. I don't think he'd be a rental, but Anaheim would have to move more pieces around to make it work.
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I like tatar a lot he is a good player with excellent possession numbers but I don't know how he slots into ducks top 6, getzlaf line likes to play a slow down cycle game, and the kesler line is going to be used as a shutdown line. also im not a Carlyle fan he has never shown an ability to build scoring up and down the lineup. so I worry if this guy is on the 3rd line he will not be put in good scoring opportunities
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Yes I'm aware, and after next season needs to be resigned. Anaheim will be up against the cap again next year.
Deal Tatar? We are going to trade fowler for him only to trade Tatar a year later?
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And a year always changes things.
Maybe Stoner gets moved.
Maybe they trade for Crosby.
Who knows.
Doesn't change the fact that they cut salary and add a cheap in his prime 25 goal scorer, whos numbers will improve.
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Who is this ideal target that fits all these criteria for Ducks fans? Cost controlled, young, signed to multiple years so he wouldn't need a raise and can fit right into the top 6 that plays a specific slow down cycle game?
We don't have to trade Tatar in a year. He would either make enough to fit the structure, be better than someone leading to a trade of a lesser forward, or a lateral call bringing back something in return with Tatar heading out. This is going to be the case with any of the names that fellow Ducks fans are targeting. The Ducks don't have to accept a trash deal like the Ennis one, but there isn't going to be a 'just right' deal for us in any way shape or form. We are up against the salary cap(edit: the internal one) and are going to have to learn how to juggle things like the Hawks do on a regular basis.
Look I'm not saying I wouldn't take Tatar, I absolute would as a piece. But they're are only cutting 1.25 in cap. That's far below what his raise is going to be. Which isn't a huge problem, but it does mean pieces will have to be moved around to keep him. Which is my point.
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Ducks trade Fowler, invest in the young defense they have. Let Tatar play in the top 6, gain value, deal him.
Now the assets Anaheim gets from Tatar help bring in the next level underneath the prospects the team has coming up.
Again I'm aware of all that. Maybe you should head your own advice and read the post I was responding too.
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This year. And gaining a top 6 left wing. For a player that will be replaced internally.
I did, here's the part where it was referenced:
I merely expanded on it because there were further options available.
Gain value how? He'll be due a major pay raise. Pretty much the opposite of gaining value. This is just pushing the problem down the road one season.
Which again just pushed the problem down the road and solves nothing. Define lateral move.You think you're going to get an equivalent forward at less cost? Which team makes that trade?
or they could just keep it simple and get assets for Fowler who are cost controlled for the next couple of years...
